Near death experience of Howard Storm

[Angrboda]

Why do these people never explain OBEs as a result of clairvoyance? Oh right. That doesn't fit the narrative.

[drfuzzy]

Scooby wrote:   I'll talk about the veridical NDEs if you want to hear about that. Those are when people witness events away from their body while unconscious that are later verified as true by other witnesses. Like being in a hospital room, but witnessing a doctor in surgery that is verified as to happened by that doctor.

(Yes, I gave up on the quote function for the moment.)

Here is the OBE claim that would be oh so easy to prove.  Isolate someone who claims to be able to accomplish self-guided OBE's and video tape them.
Have a stranger in another location do something and videotape that.  (Bake cookies, clean house, doesn't matter what.)  If the OBE traveller can describe the action without leaving the room, you have confirmation.  Simple.

Find one that fits the control qualifications and present it here.

[Mr.wizard]

It is not that hard for your brain to imagine doctors trying to revive you when you are dying, It seems like a given that would be the case while your dying in a hospital.

[scoobysnack]

There is still a lot more to say, which I will, but I'm waiting for people to read what I've posted so far, and read what they have to say about it also. I don't have all the answers, and in the end this is something for people to find out on their own, and likely it will not be until we die. I'm going to present information but we need to all accept that we perceive the reality we exist in, and everyone will have their own opinion and form their own conclusions.

I plan to talk more about the spiritual realms the earthbound realm, which is here outside of our body, the void, hell, fog, heaven, examples of veridical OBE/NDEs. I'm surprised no one has commented on the baby part of the story on the link I provided, where outside his body, he found out the baby had a broken bone, that was later verified by the doctors when the parents took him in.

What needs to be talked about is whether consciousness can exist outside the brain. Do we even know what death is, such as clinical death where the doctor determines you are dead, but somehow you come out of that state.

Anyone have the time to watch the video to hell and back, where atheists died and went to hell, and came back? It's presented by a doctor. I'm not picking on atheists here, for me it's interesting because atheists believe nothing can happen after death, which is why they are more interesting than the stories of religious people who were expecting it. Here it is again. When I have more time I'll give some more info, but I have a full time job and a lot of other priorities to take care of as well. Howard Storm is interviewed here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veD9dpgwnzc

[Excited Penguin]

Some said these couldn't have been dreams. I'm sorry, I didn't read the article, can someone tell me why not?

Just saying, though, if these could have been dreams - they were definitely dreams(assumming that the author didn't lie about the whole thing). There would be no better explanation available. All one would have to believe is that the author had all of a sudden an extraordinary recall of his dream escapades, in this particular instance.

[Athene]

No, I don't find this man's story remarkable or compelling enough to challenge my views on the possibility of a supernatural being's existence.

Incidentally, I had a near-death experience as a teen, after I and several other swimmers in the same vicinity got sucked into a rip current off the Atlantic coast. I spent the first moments trying to disentangle my hair and limbs from a hefty stranger who was attempting to use me as a life-preserver. After a wave separated us, I believed I had still had a shot at swimming to shore. 

I was wrong; I was too far out. I could only manage to swim a few strokes before a huge wave crashed over me and knocked my body under. I re-emerged, gasping for air. The cycle repeated, until I was simply unable lift my legs well enough to swim anymore; I had almost nothing left. All I could manage to do was tread water, and just barely so. I was exhausted and became overcome with grief upon the realization that I would in fact be dead within mere moments of the next wave hitting me. 

My focus did shift suddenly, and I became calm, but I did NOT see any white light, flashing colors, my own body, tunnels, strange beings or spirits, hear any voices, or sense any presence outside of my own. The single 'unusual' thing I did experience was what's commonly referred to as life flashing before one's eyes; clearly visualizing random events from my childhood, much like a movie montage. The next thing I knew, I was coming to and coughing/throwing up seawater on an orange rescue raft. The hefty guy and a few others were hanging onto the sides.

I never ascribed the life flash to anything supernatural at any point, because I assumed it occurred as a result of tremendous stress and lack of oxygen. There are scientific theories that offer perfectly reasonable explanations as to why and how things like this can occur. Here's one:

[Whateverist]

No, I don't find this man's story remarkable or compelling enough to challenge my views on the possibility of a supernatural being's existence.

But, admit it, isn't that mostly because you are a sane person?  Doesn't that actually prejudice you from taking any of the OP's points seriously?

[robvalue]

You expect us to read and watch more material, when everything you've posted so far has contained no evidence at all? And when called on this, you have no response except "wait and see"?

You're over-compensating for having nothing of substance by trying to be mysterious.

Anecdotes are not evidence. Or rather, they are terrible evidence. If that's all it takes to convince you of things, then I can tell you loads of anecdotes, but you'll instantly dismiss them as fake because they don't line up with your narrative.

You can't seem to decide if you're just sharing your own opinion or trying to teach us something.

[Athene]

No, I don't find this man's story remarkable or compelling enough to challenge my views on the possibility of a supernatural being's existence.

But, admit it, isn't that mostly because you are a sane person?  Doesn't that actually prejudice you from taking any of the OP's points seriously?

My sanity's questionable, haha. 

I regularly witness people dying; over the course of many days and up to the precise moment of death. I've also resuscitated or assisted in resuscitating several individuals. While I can't determine exactly what anyone experiences with certainty, I've never seen any indication that dying individuals leave their bodies or visit other realms. When I've asked resuscitated patients about what they remember of their experiences, they just never seem to recall such extraordinary details as described in the OP.

[robvalue]

I'm starting to wonder if this is a Poe. This is ludicrous.