My anti-theistic perspective

[Losty]

I am an antitheist because being an atheist just wasn't cool enough for me. Now I'm just awesome.

Points for making me laugh

[Edwardo Piet]

When confronted by the awesomeness of the universe, I am reasonably unimportant; as are all lives.

I disagree. Lives and individuals are ultimately all that matters. I mean, after all--the universe is only awesome to individuals who are alive. Nothing is good or bad or awesome or non-awesome without the subjective experience of individuals to consider it as such. There is no value without values and there are no values without individuals to value things subjectively.

[Silver]

I disagree.

Of course you do, dear.

Theists are quite fond of thinking themselves special in this universe, because of god, apparently.

Unfortunately, the universe does not care about any of us one iota.

How can it? It is not sentient.

Therefore, our importance in accordance to the universe is quite unimportant.

[Edwardo Piet]

Therefore, our importance in accordance to the universe is quite unimportant.

To claim that the universe is any more important is of course a non-sequitur because if nothing is important then why consider the universe important?

Well, you, and many others value the universe and consider it important, and you do so subectively, of course.

Noting matters and there is no mattering without matterers for things to matter to. Sure nothing matters objectively even with matterers for things to matter to... but without such individuals for stuff to matter to nothing even matters subjectively.

Take away all forms of life from the universe and even subjective meaning doesn't exist anymore.

If anything is important, it's lifeforms. I don't mean just humans, I am not having a theistic attitude and considering humans special. I am talking about all conscious beings in the universe capable of caring about anything.

Again, you're not objectively wrong and we do just subjectively disagree, but subjectivity wouldn't even objectively exist (not a contradiction because the first sense is epistemic and the second sense is ontological), in the sense that there wouldn't even be subjective experience in the universe without the objective existence of individuals with subjective experiences.

[Edwardo Piet]

Unfortunately, the universe does not care about any of us one iota.  

How can it?  It is not sentient.

(my bolding)

You're kind of supporting what I'm saying here. Yes, nothing matters, not even the universe, without the sentience experience of conscious individuals (As you say: How can it? It is non sentient). Things only matter to sentient beings.

[Silver]

Things matter.

That seems rather illogical to me.

Emotional and unreasonable, in fact.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I disagree.

Of course you do, dear.

Theists are quite fond of thinking themselves special in this universe, because of god, apparently.

Unfortunately, the universe does not care about any of us one iota.  

How can it?  It is not sentient.

Therefore, our importance in accordance to the universe is quite unimportant.

The universe is not sentient, but we are. That includes even you - sort of.

Who are the most important figures on this earth? Generally, it's those with the most intelligence. So if (and that should be, until proven otherwise an "if") there is no intelligence in the rest of the universe, and we alone have the ability to change any part of it intelligently, then we will always be more important than anything which cannot change itself nor change course, even when it happens to be on a collision course with us.

If you don't want to be important, then that's your own prerogative. There is a sure way that you can make that happen.

[Edwardo Piet]

Things matter.

That seems rather illogical to me.  

Emotional and unreasonable, in fact.

Things matter subjectively to subjective subjects. Seems more true by definition than illogical to me.

Yes, emotional, that's my point. The very feeling of anything being "meaningful" or "mattering" or being "valuable" only exists because of emotional subjectivity which only exists because of conscious individuals with emotions.

I think it's unreasonable or, rather, lacking reason to on the one hand claim that nothing matters and then on the other hand say that we are unimportant compared to the universe. If nothing matters then surely we are just as important as the universe: Namely a zero degree of importance.

[Silver]

I see a great deal of word salad going on there, as though you are attempting to prove something that cannot be proven.

[Edwardo Piet]

Sorry if I'm overcomplicating things.

Basically: If nothing is important then we can't be any less important than the universe, right?

However without subjectivity how can anything even be important subjectively?