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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 12:24 pm
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Indeed, loudly and openly decrying the one -anywhere-, whilst quietly and manipulatively attempting to conceal the other -in their midst-.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm
I don't get why you'd want to be told what your opinion is about something. And the chances of just happening to agree with all their teachings... seems rather slim.
But then, if you've been indoctrinated with it all, it's kind of moot.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 12:30 pm
It could be said that deep down, we want for answers, so in that sense we do want to be told our opinions when we have, ourselves, failed to adequately form them.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Personally it makes sense to me that "there is a God who created the vast cosmos and yet cares deeply about what a certain species of primate does behind closed doors while naked."
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:24 pm
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(February 8, 2016 at 12:12 pm)robvalue Wrote: Does someone become a catholic because they already feel this way about gays, or are they required to feel this way because they have become Catholic?
Same goes for all the other doctrines.
Feel what way about gays? We are supposed to "feel" about them the same way we feel about everyone else - which is to love. "May he who has never sinned cast the first stone," and all that. Especially since I said being gay is not immoral.
As for homosexual activity, yes, a practicing/devout Catholic should adhere to official Church doctrines regarding faith and morals, and that includes Church teaching on human sexuality - in which we believe sex is reserved for husband and wife. Of course, any Catholic has the right to not believe in it if they don't want to, but then they would be what you guys call Cafeteria Catholics - not devout/practicing.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:31 pm
(February 8, 2016 at 3:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for homosexual activity, yes, a practicing/devout Catholic should adhere to official Church doctrines regarding faith and morals, and that includes Church teaching on human sexuality - in which we believe sex is reserved for husband and wife.
*Also reserved for priests and their 12 year old altar boys.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:31 pm
(February 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm)robvalue Wrote: I don't get why you'd want to be told what your opinion is about something. And the chances of just happening to agree with all their teachings... seems rather slim.
But then, if you've been indoctrinated with it all, it's kind of moot.
I understand where you're coming from, and yes, it does seem like a lot of teachings. But in the end a lot of them really do go together... they all pretty much come down to a few basic principles, if you think about it.
And I've been told what my opinion should be by a lot of different people/etc. Even here, I am told what my opinion should be almost all the time. That's what living in our society entails. However, of all the voices telling me what I should and should not think, I chose to believe in the Church. It makes sense to me. It's not a blind follow.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(February 8, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Divinity Wrote: (February 8, 2016 at 3:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for homosexual activity, yes, a practicing/devout Catholic should adhere to official Church doctrines regarding faith and morals, and that includes Church teaching on human sexuality - in which we believe sex is reserved for husband and wife.
*Also reserved for priests and their 12 year old altar boys.
No, what those people did was clearly against fundamental Church teaching. They did it because they were pedophiles and were attracted to children (not to mention monsters), not because they were Catholic. Same goes for the cowards who covered it up.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:35 pm
It was the church that covered it up though. And the Pope has done nothing about it. So either the church is a "Do as I say, not as I do" hypocrites who aren't worthy of speaking about ANYTHING regarding sexuality. Or they're pedophile approving bigots who also aren't worthy of speaking about ANYTHING regarding sexuality.
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RE: Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine
February 8, 2016 at 3:45 pm
It was people within the higher ups of the Church yes. But again, it has nothing to do with Catholic Theology. There are always going to be bad people who are Catholic, even cardinals and popes. They weren't the first bad ones, and they won't be the last.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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