God: The Great Tempter

[Expired]

And that's supposed to be better? Either way his idea of a solution to a problem is something dying.

I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.

https://youtu.be/VWAUhadJzTk    Please watch this Lek.

[robvalue]

It can be noble, and an actual sacrifice, for a human to give their life to save others. This is because it may be the only way of doing so in a particular situation; the only price that can be paid.

But we're always bombarded with tales of how powerful God is and how he can do anything. That means he can do it any way he wants, too. So if his "plan" involves a human sacrifice, that is what he chose. It wasn't the only price.

This is why analogies with humans always fail. The fact that some theists are so ready to draw parallels though indicate what category they really put God in.

[Rhondazvous]

I generally stay away from people who think it's good when somebody dies.

If I give my life to save a group of people is that bad?

That's not only bad, it's psycho if I' trying t save them from my big bad dad, whom I claim is myself after I set the people up to die in the first place.

[Homeless Nutter]

I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.

Yeah... And it's also "good", that Aztecs ripped a heart out of a slave's chest every day, so that the Sun would rise again, right? Ugh...

The saddest thing about christians is that they can't perceive the horrific nature of the acts they're describing.

Jesus "died", so that he, himself could forgive his creation for having been created imperfect. How come you can't see how stupid and pointless this whole charade is? Or do you actually practice this kind of "forgiveness" in your own life? If someone wrongs you - you can't forgive them until you kill yourself? If you had a bunch of dogs and they disobeyed you - would you have to send your child to the dog-cages to be mauled to death, or else you couldn't "forgive" them? WTF is wrong with you, people...

[robvalue]

I guess some of them can't see it because they see "his actions" as a prescription for morality in the first place. So he could do anything and they'd say it was righteous and just and so on.

And of course, they then can't see why that is a terrible system.

[Rhondazvous]

If Christianity were true, I'd suspect that Satan was created just to be a scapegoat.  

It reminds me of that Little Caesars Commercial with the corporate scapegoat.  "I, Chett Wallaby acted alone in taking away your Bacon Wrapped Deep Dish pizza..."

I suspect that god and satan were created together in a cosmic particle collider. The bible gives them credit for the same actions but the antichrist is Jesus' antimatter.

[Rhondazvous]

I always thought it meant to lead us away from temptation.  Remember we're translating Greek and they didn't always put things exactly as we do in English.

Wouldn't that be more our fault than theirs?

That would make the bible a provincial document. It would look like when god confused people's language at the Tower of Babel, he would have had the foresight to reserve one universal language that his word could be translated from with some degree of accuracy.

But then, we wouldn't need faith if god did something that made sense.

[Lek]

God doesn't succumb to our temptations.  In reality God kills us all.  We all die; and that's according to his will.  Dying in itself isn't evil, but it does come as a result of our sins.  It is evil, though, for us to disobey God's will and to commit murder.  Of course, if we truly loved our neighbors as Jesus told us to do, we wouldn't commit murder.

Are you sure about that?  People can tempt God whenever they want to.  You really need to read your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy tale.

Deuteronomy 6:16 (NKJV) = “You shall not tempt the Lord your God as you tempted Him in Massah."

Psalm 78:18 (KJV) = "And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust."

Psalm 78:41 (KJV) = "Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel."

Psalm 78:56 (KJV) = "Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:"

Psalm 106:14 (KJV) =  "But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert."

Malachi 3:15 (KJV) =  "And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered."

Sirach 18:23 (RSV) = "Before making a vow, prepare yourself; and do not be like a man who tempts the Lord."

Acts 15:10 (KJV) = "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

Yeah. And we've all tempted fate too. Can fate be tempted?

[Lek]

I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.

https://youtu.be/VWAUhadJzTk    Please watch this Lek.

It's an indication of what Jesus went through for us, but we can't really know all that he went through. I think we'll all be in heaven eventually, but some will be there long before others.

[Lek]

It can be noble, and an actual sacrifice, for a human to give their life to save others. This is because it may be the only way of doing so in a particular situation; the only price that can be paid.

But we're always bombarded with tales of how powerful God is and how he can do anything. That means he can do it any way he wants, too. So if his "plan" involves a human sacrifice, that is what he chose. It wasn't the only price.

This is why analogies with humans always fail. The fact that some theists are so ready to draw parallels though indicate what category they really put God in.

So you don't agree with way God does things. If God is God, he has better insight than we do. We don't believe in a God who thinks at our level, but rather is superior to us. Otherwise, as you would say, "What's the use?"