Richard Dawkins suffers stroke.

[Sterben]

I've derailed this thread for long enough, has there been any updates any one has heard on this condition?

[Thumpalumpacus]

It seems to me that if you're rating the expense of child-rearing on your own standards which you've implied are higher than average, you're rather negating your own point.

                My standards are higher then normal, I'm more angry at world for not giving me a chance at happiness. I had to fight for every bit of knowledge I have cause of the censored education I received. The fight goes on for me to undo the damage public school. It would probably not of avoided the constant bullying, it might of been a little less if it was in a private settings. Who knows, I could of been a lot more intelligent with the back ground of a better education at an earlier age. That possibility angers me cause I was only given a lower American education and had to discover the rest on my own. It was not until I was about 24 I found about unit 731, why was this dark history not taught to me in high school? Why was so much history denied to me when I was in school? The fact Americans was practicing concepts on it's own citizens that Germans picked up on, and it was swept under the rug. If I had been in private school these lessons would of taught and not hidden away.

Schooling is useful, but you have to understand that public schools aren't intended for education, but are rather worker factories, pumping out workers for the economy.

It's good that you've taken responsibility for your own education.

None of this obviates the fact that your numbers are skewed by your preferences, and that there are other ways to obtain the results you desire with children. As a father, I assumed responsibility for my son's education, teaching him to read by reading to him nightly, teaching him arithmetic before he was in kindergarten, talking to him like an adult, and engaging him in discussions about current events and history. Maintaining a library where I could read a passage from any number of historians to illustrate a point. He attended a charter school -- a public school with competitive entrance exams. My son is now attending university at no cost thanks to grants and scholarships, some public, some private.

I can assure you that I've never earned close to 2.5 million dollars in my three-plus decades in the workforce.

That figure is skewed by your own preferences, laudable as they are, but it doesn't reflect the reality of child-rearing here in America.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I disagree with your point on the pro-life movement. I posted a bunch of stuff in the planned parenthood thread here that exposes it as an offshoot of the eugenics movement from a hundred plus years ago. Check out my post here which has a link to the US government document National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 200) Implications of Worldwide Population Growth

Here's the link directly to the post: http://atheistforums.org/thread-34693-po...pid1209038

Part of the problem with falling fertillity rates is that if you have less people entering the workforce then are retiring, it results in the collapse of economies. They have to remain at least stable. In fact it's one reason governments support immigration is because the native population are not having kids, and over time they need people to come in to fill the positions needed to keep economies going. When doing the math we need to have 2.11 fertility rate just to keep things stable. Once you go below that everything starts collapsing, and the lower you go, it's impossible to reverse. This is an interesting short video talking about if you get below a fertility rate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWgnOimfnA

Then there is the guy just hired by the pope in the vatican who thinks the world is over populated by 6 billion people:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...any-of-us/

There are methods already in place to soft kill us, but if they decide to start the hard kill measures, watch out.

You have discovered our secret agenda, heh heh heh - now you too have become an intolerable liability! (presses shark tank button)

Of course the cause for the personal rights of other people than yourself are really a secret and evil conspiracy, Mr. Ass-Shaped Tinfoil Hat!

If justice for people who you don't empathize with leads to the end of people who think like you, well here's more news:

1. you aren't a race, therefore you deserve no protections, and
   
2. this world will be a much better place when most of you are finally gone from it!
   

[pocaracas]

Interesting choice of words...
Why should a race of people deserve protection?
Why should they need protection, in the first place?

[scoobysnack]

I disagree with your point on the pro-life movement. I posted a bunch of stuff in the planned parenthood thread here that exposes it as an offshoot of the eugenics movement from a hundred plus years ago. Check out my post here which has a link to the US government document National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 200) Implications of Worldwide Population Growth

Here's the link directly to the post: http://atheistforums.org/thread-34693-po...pid1209038

Part of the problem with falling fertillity rates is that if you have less people entering the workforce then are retiring, it results in the collapse of economies. They have to remain at least stable. In fact it's one reason governments support immigration is because the native population are not having kids, and over time they need people to come in to fill the positions needed to keep economies going. When doing the math we need to have 2.11 fertility rate just to keep things stable. Once you go below that everything starts collapsing, and the lower you go, it's impossible to reverse. This is an interesting short video talking about if you get below a fertility rate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWgnOimfnA

Then there is the guy just hired by the pope in the vatican who thinks the world is over populated by 6 billion people:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...any-of-us/

There are methods already in place to soft kill us, but if they decide to start the hard kill measures, watch out.

You have discovered our secret agenda, heh heh heh - now you too have become an intolerable liability! (presses shark tank button)

Of course the cause for the personal rights of other people than yourself are really a secret and evil conspiracy, Mr. Ass-Shaped Tinfoil Hat!

If justice for people who you don't empathize with leads to the end of people who think like you, well here's more news:

1. you aren't a race, therefore you deserve no protections, and
   
2. this world will be a much better place when most of you are finally gone from it!
   

Yeah I know, that's how the extreme God haters think. Most are closet Satanists, even though they don't realize it and in some cases they do.

After reading your post the first thing I thought was Delusions! and it reminded me of the twilight zone episode: The obsolete man. Check this out, you would probably find it entertaining. You remind me of the state rep at the top of the podium:

The obsolete man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyoN9V9fCuk

Not sure where race came from, unless you are talking about the human race. Look at all the atheist countries that discourage or ban religion. North Korea would be a great example. Just imagine an atheist world. Absolute hell on earth. There wouldn't be human rights, because you would be nothing more than a human resource. Religion is the one check against the balance of human rights vs the desires of the state. Even China will work you to death. Moral relativeness will lead to all out war, and destruction of everyone.

Just look at the countries with state atheism. Worst countries on the planet. I'm not saying a state should promote religion, but if they promote atheism, you lose the rest of your rights along with freedom of religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You have discovered our secret agenda, heh heh heh - now you too have become an intolerable liability! (presses shark tank button)

Of course the cause for the personal rights of other people than yourself are really a secret and evil conspiracy, Mr. Ass-Shaped Tinfoil Hat!

If justice for people who you don't empathize with leads to the end of people who think like you, well here's more news:

1. you aren't a race, therefore you deserve no protections, and
   
2. this world will be a much better place when most of you are finally gone from it!
   

Yeah I know, that's how the extreme God haters think. Most are closet Satanists, even though they don't realize it and in some cases they do.

After reading your post the first thing I thought was Delusions! and it reminded me of the twilight zone episode: The obsolete man. Check this out, you would probably find it entertaining. You remind me of the state rep at the top of the podium:

The obsolete man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyoN9V9fCuk

Not sure where race came from, unless you are talking about the human race. Look at all the atheist countries that discourage or ban religion. North Korea would be a great example. Just imagine an atheist world. Absolute hell on earth. There wouldn't be human rights, because you would be nothing more than a human resource. Relgion is the one check against the balance of human rights vs the desires of the state. Even China will work you to death.

Oh, I don't hate your god, I just don't believe he exists. Ignorant and annoying assholes like you are altogether different.

As for Satanism...no, don't believe in Satan either, although the idea, supplied by none less than dumbfucks such as you, does make lots of fodder for hysterical fantasy stories and jokes. Just keep it coming!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_b-zpSnoHs

[scoobysnack]

Yeah I know, that's how the extreme God haters think. Most are closet Satanists, even though they don't realize it and in some cases they do.

After reading your post the first thing I thought was Delusions! and it reminded me of the twilight zone episode: The obsolete man. Check this out, you would probably find it entertaining. You remind me of the state rep at the top of the podium:

The obsolete man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyoN9V9fCuk

Not sure where race came from, unless you are talking about the human race. Look at all the atheist countries that discourage or ban religion. North Korea would be a great example. Just imagine an atheist world. Absolute hell on earth. There wouldn't be human rights, because you would be nothing more than a human resource. Relgion is the one check against the balance of human rights vs the desires of the state. Even China will work you to death.

Oh, I don't hate your god, I just don't believe he exists. Ignorant and annoying assholes like you are altogether different.

As for Satanism...no, don't believe in Satan either, although the idea, supplied by none less than dumbfucks such as you, does make lots of fodder for hysterical fantasy stories and jokes. Just keep it coming!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_b-zpSnoHs

You know for years I've been meaning to watch that movie, and never have, but deffienetly plan to.

How many of these statements do you or others agree with, even if you have to remove the word satan, do you agree with the proceding ideas?

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Oh, I don't hate your god, I just don't believe he exists. Ignorant and annoying assholes like you are altogether different.

As for Satanism...no, don't believe in Satan either, although the idea, supplied by none less than dumbfucks such as you, does make lots of fodder for hysterical fantasy stories and jokes. Just keep it coming!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_b-zpSnoHs

You know for years I've been meaning to watch that movie, and never have, but deffienetly plan to.

How many of these statements do you or others agree with, even if you have to remove the word satan, do you agree with the proceding ideas?

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

Zero, Stupid - we're atheists, not Satanists!

Satan is a construct which Christians are responsible for inventing, and the Satanists are your own bastard offspring. Projectionism is another thing which you Christards are much too good at.

[scoobysnack]

You know for years I've been meaning to watch that movie, and never have, but deffienetly plan to.

How many of these statements do you or others agree with, even if you have to remove the word satan, do you agree with the proceding ideas?

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

Zero, Stupid - we're atheists, not Satanists!

Satan is a construct which Christians are responsible for inventing, and the Satanists are your own bastard offspring. Projectionism is another thing which you Christards are much too good at.

Explain to me how an atheist government system world would be a good thing then. From everything I've seen so far, there would still be war and every other problem atheists blame religion for, but in your case it would just be a different reason. Like I said, all governments that promote atheism are horrible places to live. And why is it that Atheists seem to overwhelmingly support various forms of communism when communist governments are best known for killing their own people. Seems to me I need to start talking about the clear links between communism and atheism and why they are always failures.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I don't like your tone, and I don't have to answer your questions. You've been here much too long not to have learned the difference between atheism and the sort of runaway idealism which leads to violent dictators. Kim Jong Ill isn't an atheist, he is a self-declared god, and he knows it.

The last time I checked, Sweden was a very nice place to live, and it is also more of a secular culture than Russia ever was. It has socialized medicine, and so is its education system through college. Denmark, even better these days, no thanks to your god, nor your evil and ignorant socio-economic ideologies. Now the Russian government is a puppet of the Russian Orthodox church, and it's still a miserable shithole for most people who live there.