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March 4, 2016 at 11:37 am
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If what it comes down to is that humans are inherently flawed and and subject to incorrect/subjective interpretations of god's moral "laws," and the only person who can designate true "right" from true "wrong" is a god who is unwilling to manifest himself and give us a concise summation of both, then it's NOT OBJECTIVE. If the Christian answer is that God has the rules in his head but refuses to communicate them directly to all of us as a species; and instead expects us to figure it all out individually...well, to me that's kind of like a form of special pleading (or apologetic?) for moral "objectiveness."
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March 4, 2016 at 11:41 am
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It's like me saying that blue is objectively the best color of all the colors, and when someone asks me for evidence that blue is objectively the best, and not just subjectively my preference because THEY really like red, my answer is "because God told me so! Duh..."
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 4, 2016 at 11:42 am
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Wait, I've got one.
If god gets to hand out his opinion as fact just because he's in charge...
What happens if christians suddenly found out he's not completely in charge? What if he's only in charge of our bit of reality, and there's a bigger god in charge of him?
Would his "objective morality" now be suspect? If so, why, if it's exactly the same as it was before?
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March 4, 2016 at 11:46 am
Lol, every Christian would sigh a collective, "Oh...FUCK ME!"
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 4, 2016 at 11:48 am
I don't know how they can possibly be so sure that the boss of this reality is the boss of everything.
Because he says so?
And he doesn't lie, because he says he doesn't lie?
And we only have his word that he actually made any of this, and didn't just find it or have it made for him by his dad.
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March 4, 2016 at 11:50 am
Well, come on now Rob! The Bible says so!!! And the Bible is the word of God. Cuz...it says it is. Sheesh. How much more proof do you need for crying out loud?!
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March 4, 2016 at 11:51 am
Seems pretty air-tight to me!
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 4, 2016 at 12:01 pm
Rob.... the christian and muslim god is the one above all other "gods".... those "gods" are not gods at all... just lower spirits...
jeez, Rob, it's like you just landed on this forum yesterday!
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March 4, 2016 at 12:05 pm
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The sky is clearly choked with "lesser spirits". It must be a much more crowded space than it appears to be.
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March 4, 2016 at 12:06 pm
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(March 4, 2016 at 11:31 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (March 4, 2016 at 11:09 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'd say a dictator is merely another human being, no different from yourself as a human being. He didn't create the universe. He isn't the ultimate supreme being of everything that exists. He didn't, Himself, create moral laws and design how they work and what they are.
Does Him being the creator of the universe make His opinion any less subjective? What you seem to be saying here is that so long as you are by far the biggest fish in the pond, that imbues your moral opinions with objectivity. How does that make sense? What does His 'authority' have to do with whether or not they are, a) merely His opinions or b) objective matters of fact?
Yeah, great point. God seems to think, feel, and behave pretty similarly to the way we humans think, feel and behave, so what possible reason do we have for thinking his morals are infallible?
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