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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 13, 2016 at 8:06 pm
You'd expect to see a whole lot of the Sharpshooter Fallacy.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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The Problem with Christians
April 13, 2016 at 8:08 pm
(April 13, 2016 at 7:37 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Now, fair play: can you point me to a scientific resource that shows me what steps god took to create humans, with verifiable evidence as to how that happened? Or is one side supposed to present exhaustive evidence, while you just sit there and present nothing of your own?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 14, 2016 at 5:38 am
(February 27, 2016 at 3:31 am)Maelstrom Wrote: so that they can create these silly counter arguments that are not even logical.
Yup. Just like something I recently heard on "Haven" but I suppose a real life christian can say the same BS: "A lamb will not lay down with a lion". And yet the old testament states how all animals went to Noah's ark which means lambs and lions too. So I wonder: if a lamb won't lay down with a lion, then how come both spieces could have coexisted for a very long time on a piece of wood? Cuz surely that huge flood (if it has happened for real) didn't end in a day. Wish I could tell that argument to a believer and see what would happen. 
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 14, 2016 at 11:25 am
My biggest gripe with modern christians is why do they believe a bronze age religion that came from the middle east anyways.
Like why do you even believe in this stuff and why do you even follow it. Because well people have this stigma against Islam and if you
follow the bible the way it's supposed to you would be acting like those who follow quran so there is a big difference between how
both of the followers act in whole.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm
(April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: The problem is with you, and not with my god who decided to make some bullshit rules about who you can have sex with. Like having sex with children? Are they bullshit rules too?
(April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: You don't get to be happy, because God is more important." I guess that also applies to people who want to have sex with minors. Should we feel sorry for "minor attracted" people who were "made that way?" This is the argument they are putting out there in order to get their grubby little hands on innocent children.
(April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: "You're transgender, and I love you, but you can't undergo Sex reassignment surgery because that goes against God. In my country, in order to get gender reassignment surgery, you have to have a doctor diagnose you with gender dysphoria. Which is a mental disorder where you feel that you are the wrong gender to what your genes and anatomy otherwise indicate. So if this is a disorder, shouldn't we be trying to correct it? That would mean trying to harmonize the mind with physical reality. As far as I know, gender dysphoria is the only condition where the treatment is to go with the disease rather than to fight it. Doesn't sound like good medicine to me.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm
(April 13, 2016 at 4:55 am)pocaracas Wrote: (April 13, 2016 at 4:20 am)AJW333 Wrote: Good question. There's no easy way to "prove" that God exists apart from assuming that he does, and then living your life accordingly. If you live according to God's principles, the proof is to be found in the outworking of your life. It is a form of inductive reasoning, ie you assume something to be true, put it to the test and then come to a conclusion.
Inductive reasoning (as opposed to deductive reasoning or abductive reasoning) is reasoning in which the premises are viewed as supplying strong evidence for the truth of the conclusion. While the conclusion of a deductive argument is certain, the truth of the conclusion of an inductive argument is probable, based upon the evidence given.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning
God is in your head...inductive reasoning, per the definition here presented, states that this claim of mine is probable.
Now what? Not sure what you mean. Can you rephrase the question?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 16, 2016 at 1:50 am
(April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm)AJW333 Wrote: (April 12, 2016 at 11:08 am)Divinity Wrote: The problem is with you, and not with my god who decided to make some bullshit rules about who you can have sex with. Like having sex with children? Are they bullshit rules too?
You do know there's really nothing in the Bible about having sex with children, right? Animals and incest, sure, but there's really nothing about kids.
As for the "why do we transition trans people" thing, there has been extensive study into this. In general, allowing the person to live into their identity is more therapeutic and less damaging than trying to use therapy to change them to the "proper" gender. In many cases, trans brains do tend to show activity that matches the gender they identify with, regardless of genetics, so it's not exactly accurate to dismiss the problem as a phantasm that can just be talked away by a shrink.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 16, 2016 at 6:22 am
(April 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm)AJW333 Wrote: (April 13, 2016 at 4:55 am)pocaracas Wrote: God is in your head...inductive reasoning, per the definition here presented, states that this claim of mine is probable.
Now what? Not sure what you mean. Can you rephrase the question?
Premise: god is in your head. The concept of god is in your head. Everything you think you know about god flows from what's in your head.
This supplies strong evidence for the conclusion that... god doesn't exist outside believers' heads.
Applied inductive reasoning.
Since you want to apply inductive reasoning to argue for the real existence of a god and I've just shown you how the same kind of reasoning can lead to the exact opposite conclusion... now what?
Of what value is inductive reasoning, if it can easily lead to contradictory conclusions?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 16, 2016 at 9:57 am
Why, it's... it's almost as though the process of inductive reasoning is supposed to map onto reality! As though it's a method of investigating real-world phenomena, as distinct from ignoring them and insisting on some nebulous conceptual unreality! Mind... blown!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 16, 2016 at 10:12 am
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 10:16 am by Divinity.)
(April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Like having sex with children? Are they bullshit rules too?
Funny thing. God never said you couldn't have sex with children.
He outlawed gay sex, pre-marital sex, shellfish, working on sunday, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, and all sorts of other shit. But not once Pedophilia. Kind of fucking funny, ain't it?
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