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The Problem with Christians
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 (April 1, 2016 at 5:55 am)AJW333 Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: How do you know this? No, I'm not going to let you switch tracks on me. You wasn't talking about complexity of living systems or random chemicals - you made three specific assertions, viz: (March 31, 2016 at 4:47 am)AJW333 Wrote: When God created the universe, he created the dimension of time. He is not subject to age in the way we measure it because he is outside of time. Therefore it is not necessary that God has a creator - he is eternal. and I want to know how you know this. Don't play Dolphinetics with me - I invented the term.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 9:03 am
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 9:03 am by robvalue.)
Good point! We are indeed.
He's a non-answer. He's replacing a question mark with a meaningless three letter word, which no one is allowed to ask about. Once we've established anything at all about this God bastard, we have exactly all the same questions as before. Luckily for theists nothing ever gets established. It's like waiting for tomorrow. By the time it's tomorrow, it's today again.  RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 10:06 am
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 10:06 am by Crossless2.0.)
(March 31, 2016 at 6:05 pm)athrock Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: athrock, I must have missed the part where you made a compelling case that a singularity is 'nothing' or where you demonstrated that there was 'nothing' "prior" to the Big Bang (leaving aside the improper use of causal language to characterize what a universe "pre" space/time might be like). For that matter, I must have missed the post in which you provided "an entirely new suite of terminology" (to borrow from Esquilax) to describe the physics of a pre-Big Bang world. I don't have an opinion whether the "singularity was in existence from all eternity". Why the hell would I? Given the current state of our knowledge, the people actually qualified to discuss such questions must resort to speculation, so it would be asinine of me to trumpet an opinion about something we don't (and possibly can't) know -- whether through legitimate means like science or through imaginary sources of knowledge like "revelation". What is "God" if not a conceptual Band-Aid you believers use to make a pretense of knowledge? What is "revelation" if not the epistemological bastard child you try to sneak in the back door and give a seat at the family table? Just because you have a three-letter name/title for your ignorance concerning the Big Questions doesn't mean that you have an answer.  (April 1, 2016 at 5:55 am)AJW333 Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: How do you know this? Again, NOT! However complex life seems to you, it is far less complex than the god that you propose that popped up without a designer. If it is possible, beyond the realm of possibilities, (which you keep insisting), then why is it not possible for the universe and life (which are not as complex as your god, therefore higher probabilities) to exist without a "designer"?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (April 1, 2016 at 11:18 am)IATIA Wrote:(April 1, 2016 at 5:55 am)AJW333 Wrote: Looking at the complexity of living systems and determining that the chances that these things evolved from random chemicals is infinitely less than there being a super intelligence that designed it all. *ding, ding, ding* this is the question it all boils down to, isn't it? If a theist can provide a reasonable answer to this, I will promptly shit myself.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.  (April 1, 2016 at 6:00 am)AJW333 Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 9:42 am)Esquilax Wrote: Right, so what's the probability of that even happening?Better than abiogenesis and better than the vast multitude of species all evolving from pond slime by pot luck. First of all, "pot luck" is a strawman, as I've already explained multiple times how we're not dealing with a totally randomized process, so you can stow that dishonesty right now. Second of all, can you do more than just lazily assert that the odds are better? How did you derive those odds? How can you derive a positive probability for a thing you cannot possibly have observed and have consistently failed to provide positive evidence of? And in fact, why should we even care, given that you've demonstrated clearly that you have no idea what positive evidence even is? 
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