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Free will and humans
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 (March 11, 2016 at 11:02 am)pool the great Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 8:59 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Moar.Can that computer write an algorithm to break dance? Could you form a cogent counter-argument? This replying with red herrings just makes you look like an idiot. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg) 
I'm sure it's just an act ..
 (March 11, 2016 at 11:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 11:02 am)pool the great Wrote: Can that computer write an algorithm to break dance? That is a counter argument. Jesus Christy I can't be expected to explain everything. Your computer can make algorithms? That's nice, plants can too, even a pig can. But can it make an algorithm for any given task? No? Call me when it can, then it'll have achieved free will RE: Free will and humans
March 11, 2016 at 11:20 am
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 11:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Can you make an algorithm for any given task? We can test that. Not that it matters, because the -relevant- subject is not the ability to make algorithms, but the manner in which it is achieved. This is -why- your remarks have run afoul of the fallacy of relevence, -why- they are red herrings.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(March 11, 2016 at 11:20 am)Rhythm Wrote: Can you make an algorithm for any given task? We can test that. Not that it matters, because the -relevant- subject is not the ability to make algorithms, but the manner in which it is achieved. This is -why- your remarks have run afoul of the fallacy of relevence, -why- they are red herrings. Use simpler words please  I don't understand big words are you forgetting English is my 4th language? BTW, I got this audio book for Spanish lessons, it's fun, so I decided I'll learn Spanish this year, I hope it's a useful language because even though I know 4languages, they are Malayalam, Hindi, Tamil and English.. Most of which are useful only locally except English of course, what were we talking about again?
(March 11, 2016 at 11:18 am)pool the great Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 11:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Could you form a cogent counter-argument? This replying with red herrings just makes you look like an idiot. Call me when you have evidence that humans can create an algorithm for any given task. So far it's just a bare assertion. Here's the task: demonstrate that we do/don't have objective morality. Go!
Christ that's dirty Jorg, lol........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(March 11, 2016 at 11:27 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 11:18 am)pool the great Wrote: That is a counter argument. Jesus Christy I can't be expected to explain everything. That's below the belt. It's a foul, I'm going to have to remove 5 points for that. Your current points is -5. Also, I can easily create an algorithm for that task. RE: Free will and humans
March 11, 2016 at 11:45 am
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 11:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Please, do so, it would put a stop to endless bickering on these boards and in the world.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (March 11, 2016 at 5:25 am)pool the great Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 2:16 am)KevinM1 Wrote: That was one of the things I wanted him to realize when I asked him about machine learning (programs literally experiencing and remembering things) and self-modifying code (programs modifying and expanding their own capabilities). Does it really matter that a human seeded it with the initial code? After all, humans are merely biological machines programmed by sequences of chemicals reacting to various electrical impulses. You have a biological machine programming a technological machine. Where's the appreciable difference lie, apart from complexity? Keeping in mind that our brains are the end results of millions of years of evolution and that computer science is less than a century old. You're embarrassing yourself.
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