Boin-ney, did I say it right?

[Ryantology]

If they are underpaying (or not paying) taxes, then they are only existing here because those of us who actually do pay taxes are subsidizing them.

Are you kidding me???
How many people do you think they employ directly and indirectly 1000, 10,000 100,000? How many make over 80K? Not to mention how many other companies who get no tax breaks do they sub contract to? how many people do they employ? and so on. Apple alone made 79.5 Billion in one QUARTER! 18 billion was what should be made taxable. the rest Apple dumped into production costs, which means 60 billion when into parts, assemblies, promotion, shipping, labor ect in just one quarter, all of which as it trickles down into it's various set of vendors and sub set of vendors get taxed over and over again. So in just 3 month's time you want to give away almost 60 billion in potential revenue, because apple gets a break on 18 billion in direct taxes?

See this is why we need a business man/Billionaire setting the taxable interests of the country, rather than some hippy douche. The Hippy douche can't see past the surface and will always go after and consume a few hand fulls of the visible peanuts. Rather than plant them and reap several fields worth a peanuts at the end of the season. Business is a delicate give and take, you have to give/plant before you can take. If you take now and don't seed your field then you will have nothing to reap in the future.

How much of that 79.5 billion was made off the backs of virtual slave labor, instead of paying a living wage to American workers?

What about service? Companies like Wal-Mart declare $100B in profits while each store costs taxpayers $900k because the company refuses to pay its workers enough to survive unaided by the welfare state. Lest we forget that the five Walton children own more wealth than half of the nation. That's arguably a much larger problem.

You want to have low wages and low taxes, a cake you can have and eat. I'm all for reducing taxes on companies that provide for the labor that makes their operation possible, and companies that don't enrich shareholders and executives by outsourcing to countries with no worker protection laws and putting Americans out of work. It's funny because I know of a candidate running for president who has done a great deal of that.

Trump is going to take the tax burden off 50% of the population all together. That is upto a 25% pay increase that fall in the 25/50K range! and upto a 40% increase to those who make more!

Better wages for the poor and working class would eliminate much of the need for taxes that go towards the welfare state.

[The Grand Nudger]

Companies like Wal-Mart declare $100B in profits while each store costs taxpayers $900k because the company refuses to pay its workers enough to survive unaided by the welfare state. Lest we forget that the five Walton children own more wealth than half of the nation. That's arguably a much larger problem.

Don't forget the double dip.....they build stores when they can get sweetheart breaks from county and state officials.  Still unsatisfied, they triple dip.. filling their stores with federally subsidized products.

...and then...people go and spend their welfare benefits and paychecks (including employees, ofc) .......at walmart...........

It couldn't be any better unless the Waltons were tying young girls to train tracks while twiddling their handlebar mustaches.  How did they get so big again, their claim to fame, anyone remember?  Ah yes, everything was made in the USA. 

[WinterHold]

Drich

Let's ask france what happens when we take a 'live and let live' attitude towards radical islam. It only takes one group of hateful people to start a conflict/war, there doesn't have to be consent on both sides. Radical Islam decided there will be a war, the United States simply 'insisted' we have it on their land and in their cities killing their people instead of ours.. France and other countries like it seems to think it is acceptable to allow their people to be slaughtered on mass and seemingly at Radical Islam's will, in order to maintain their philosophical positions. Which they have every right to do, but at the same time if someone has it in their mind to burn a house down and they will no matter what you try and do, then I am all for making them burn their own houses scorch their own land and kill their own children before they come here after mine.

how  did "radical Islam" get into this?
I need to remind you, that the U.S is actually one of the best friends of radical Islam; radical Muslims were always buddies with the pentagon, American tax money used to pay their salaries; too.

Ever heard about operation cyclone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

And then again, what the hell is Saudi Arabia doing at your side? I thought radical Islam is at war with the white house, but it looks like radical Islam was busy eating the meal he bought with the salaries it received in the cold war..

Don't take my word for granted; google is there to ask it about its opinion.
The wars of America never had anything to do with radical Islam -please don't tell me you believed Bush !-, them wars had everything to do with what you're discussing: ECONOMY.

Taking it to their towns, to their cities?
You realize that the Ottoman empire fell before almost 100 years ago, right?

So wake up; Richard the Lionheart and Saladin died a long while ago.
Juan of Arc; too.

Don't use Islam as a peg.

Check post number 46. Saudi Arabia -the factory where ISIS mentality is produced- is supported, trained and PROTECTED by the U.S.
Wanna see marines, dying for "radical Islam"? check the gulf war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Would you like to see your tax money moving radical Islam around on 4 wheels?

MrNoMorePropaganda:
George W. Bush kissing the biggest financier of "Radical Islam" ever:

The proxies that he unleashed during his "war on terror" comedy show, did shed blood and produced the black flags of ISIS. 
Don't blame all muslims, Drich, but you must blame those who funded the so called "moderates", and remained close allies with RADICAL ISLAM =saudi arabia and the likes of it.

Regan used the Taliban to fight a proxy war against the USSR Like they used the Vietnamese to fight a proxy war against us. Like with the Vietnamese Regan turned a 'policing action' for the russians into a war of attrition that they lost. Ultimately contributing to the economic crash and restructuring of Russia. Regan was indeed correct when He compared The Taliban to the Colonial Army. In that they were fighting for their interdependence from their russian colonization. However Regan was not a prophet and did not know they would turn on us. After all we did not turn on the french after the help us kick the red coats back into the sea.

The Taliban's treachery is a testament to their own wickness, not to Regan's desire to help free a Nation.

No. When Regan gave "stinger luanchers" to the Taliban, it was to block the soviet gunships, you know proxies never use gunships and heavyweight weapons like that.

The Taliban -and the "Mujahideen" in general- fought the soviet army directly, Russians never began to master proxy warfare until recently: and even today, the only "militia" they have in the Middle East, can be considered to be "Hezbollah" and "The houthies" in Yemen; even those are not so well trained and capable as the -Mujahideen- were.

The U.S -by far- has the superiority in proxy warfare.
Russia and the USSR never used such tactic until the U.S displayed it in the cold war, and brought down Marx's fantasy to ruins.

KevinM1

More wars=more ISIS.

MrNoMorePropaganda

The more you dwell into these videos, the more you would realize how radical Islam can be shaped into a fist that can punch anywhere.
The ultimate form of proxy warfare is this: convince people that a certain people are too many, they are wealthy too. They can exist anywhere; anytime, any moment ! 

by selling fear -like bush did-, wars are won. Breaking the opposing side mentally is the start.

The Saud's terrorized natives in the past with their religious militias. It's very smart to re-new the tactic.

[ReptilianPeon]

Thank you for that Atlas. Trump voters are so ignorant. Trump said when he won Nevada that he loves the poorly educated because ignorance is strength. Trump also said he loves what Putin is doing in Russia and abroad. I thought Americans were trained to hate Russians.

But at least Putin stopped a ground invasion of Syria and is fighting American imperialism. More war would create so many new terrorists. But we gotta shoot them all say the Republicans. Most people who vote Republican these days are too stupid, I just don't even know.

And another thing: Ronald Reagan face weaponry to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. Now a lot of people in America are saying they hate Iran. Well Reagan helped out Iran.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0

[Drich]

how  did "radical Islam" get into this?
I need to remind you, that the U.S is actually one of the best friends of radical Islam; radical Muslims were always buddies with the pentagon, American tax money used to pay their salaries; too.

The rest of your argument is moot after this statement:

Islam was not 'radicalized' till after gulf war 1 when Muslims began to move against civilians in protest to the military presence in Iraq.

Yes we used Muslims but only 4 out of 65 rebel groups like were considered to be religiously motivated until 1980 one more was added in 86. Al quida was not among them. the religious component was not added till after gulf war 1.

So Regan's use or the US's use of 'Middle eastern freedom fighters' was no different then than our support of Iraq's army against ISIS now.

If the west made a mistake, it was trying to force Sadam from trying to annex other middle eastern countries, and force him to extend basic human rights to everyone under his authority. Once we stepped in and tried to help the kurds and kwaities radical Islamic propaganda stirred the whole region and it became about religion. A religion that demands world domination.

[Drich]

Are you kidding me???
How many people do you think they employ directly and indirectly 1000, 10,000 100,000? How many make over 80K? Not to mention how many other companies who get no tax breaks do they sub contract to? how many people do they employ? and so on. Apple alone made 79.5 Billion in one QUARTER! 18 billion was what should be made taxable. the rest Apple dumped into production costs, which means 60 billion when into parts, assemblies, promotion, shipping, labor ect in just one quarter, all of which as it trickles down into it's various set of vendors and sub set of vendors get taxed over and over again. So in just 3 month's time you want to give away almost 60 billion in potential revenue, because apple gets a break on 18 billion in direct taxes?

See this is why we need a business man/Billionaire setting the taxable interests of the country, rather than some hippy douche. The Hippy douche can't see past the surface and will always go after and consume a few hand fulls of the visible peanuts. Rather than plant them and reap several fields worth a peanuts at the end of the season. Business is a delicate give and take, you have to give/plant before you can take. If you take now and don't seed your field then you will have nothing to reap in the future.

How much of that 79.5 billion was made off the backs of virtual slave labor, instead of paying a living wage to American workers?

What about service? Companies like Wal-Mart declare $100B in profits while each store costs taxpayers $900k because the company refuses to pay its workers enough to survive unaided by the welfare state. Lest we forget that the five Walton children own more wealth than half of the nation. That's arguably a much larger problem.

You want to have low wages and low taxes, a cake you can have and eat. I'm all for reducing taxes on companies that provide for the labor that makes their operation possible, and companies that don't enrich shareholders and executives by outsourcing to countries with no worker protection laws and putting Americans out of work. It's funny because I know of a candidate running for president who has done a great deal of that.

Trump is going to take the tax burden off 50% of the population all together. That is upto a 25% pay increase that fall in the 25/50K range! and upto a 40% increase to those who make more!

Better wages for the poor and working class would eliminate much of the need for taxes that go towards the welfare state.

what is a living wage?

[Joods]

Shit, $15.00 isn't even a living wage any more.

[Drich]

Shit, $15.00 isn't even a living wage any more.

why?

[WinterHold]

The rest of your argument is moot after this statement:

Islam was not 'radicalized' till after gulf war 1 when Muslims began to move against civilians in protest to the military presence in Iraq.

Yes we used Muslims but only 4 out of 65 rebel groups like were considered to be religiously motivated until 1980 one more was added in 86. Al quida was not among them. the religious component was not added till after gulf war 1.

So Regan's use or the US's use of 'Middle eastern freedom fighters' was no different then than our support of Iraq's army against ISIS now.

If the west made a mistake, it was trying to force Sadam from trying to annex other middle eastern countries, and force him to extend basic human rights to everyone under his authority. Once we stepped in and tried to help the kurds and kwaities radical Islamic propaganda stirred the whole region and it became about religion. A religion that demands world domination.

No it is not.

See this topic:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42106.html

And see this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Sorry but you're about..300 years late ?

To be more accurate, 1400 years late?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawarij

[Joods]

Shit, $15.00 isn't even a living wage any more.

why?

Well, let's use a real life example and maybe you'll understand. 

Mr. Smith earns $15.00 as a welder. He's separated from his wife and he pays child support of $185.50 per week for two children. He gets no overtime. This leaves him with roughly $285.00 after taxes and child support, to live off of per week.  His total monthly income after taxes is $1235. 

He has to have a two bedroom apartment so his children have somewhere to sleep when they visit. There is nothing available in a decent part of town for less than $700 per month plus utilities. 

Utilities cost $70 a month for electric, $60 a month for gas, $20 a month for water and $35 a month for sewer.

That's $185 a month just for utilities. 
He has to drive to work. There's $20 a week for gas in his car. or roughly $80 a month. 
Then he has to pay car insurance to the tune of $75. a month.

He is now left with a meager $195 per month on which to feed and entertain his kids while they are with him. He can't afford cable tv or internet. 

He makes too much money for food stamps. They look at the income before taxes and child support because they think you can still spend that money. Actually, he makes too much money for most programs and can't claim the kids because they live with his ex-wife. 

He's not allowed to claim his kids on his taxes, even though his ex wife does not work. If he claims the children, he will have to pay more support to her. 

He can't afford his companies health insurance, so thanks to obamacare, he now has to pay a "fine" or "tax" every year because of not having insurance.  
    
But you keep on thinking, Drippy, that you can live off of $15.00.