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War crimes of the west
#31
RE: War crimes of the west
(March 11, 2016 at 5:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(March 11, 2016 at 5:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "West bad, quran good", got it.   Clap

It's not like we never saw Abu Ghraib:

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560

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Oh ma gosh ! 
Them...Them....Muzlims !
Burnt the towers..killed Kennedy..tried to hit our dropped bombs with their heads so they stop it, but their heads like gone from the impact !!

Stupid Muslims jumping around "wiz" swords and screaming:"Alalala boom !!"
And all mizlims are IZIZ.

I'm sorry. But as anti-semistem is treated in the world, I want a similiar treatment to anti-Islam- people, I want it to be a crime, just like anti semistesm

They are not the same.  Anti-semitism is directed at an ethnic group, anti-Islam is directed at a religion.

I am anti-Judaism and anti-Islam.  I am not anti-semitic nor anti-Muslims.
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#32
RE: War crimes of the west
Are you a Holocaust denier or something? I mean that's a pretty stupid list if you are going to come up with war crimes of the west.

Here is a hint: Every culture has committed genocide. Everybody is descended from both slaves and slavers. Nobody is blameless. Welcome to being a human.
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#33
RE: War crimes of the west
No one claims the West is free of guilt in the past.

Oh, and using the broad "West" implies all Western countries are complicit in those war crimes.

They're not

Oh, and the creation of Israel, as much as I may disagree with their policies, is not a war crime, anymore than the creation of Iraq is

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#34
RE: War crimes of the west
If islam is the solution to all of humanity's problems, why isn't it solving any of humanity's problems?  The correlation appears to be going in the other direction, frankly.
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#35
RE: War crimes of the west
(March 11, 2016 at 3:07 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Just a small list I wanted to post, since people seems to be playing "fish memory" and claiming that the boogy man is "Islam", so I prepared a list with some of my favorite war crimes, which are -Ironically- not committed by Muslims, but actually by Christians, Jews and seculars/atheists, let's see:

1- The bombing of Dresden- WW2

http://www.rense.com/general85/ddes.htm


Quote:The holocaust unleashed on Dresden had no strategic or tactical advantage whatsoever for the Americans or the British. Dresden was one of the most beautiful cities in Germany, dubbed the "Florence of the Elbe" because of its world-renowned collection of Baroque architecture. It was known as a showplace of culture. It had no military bases, no major communication centers or heavy industry. It had no air defense. In the last months of the war, it was known as "Die Lazarettstadt" - it had been declared a hospital town. It was also known as the "Fluechtlingsstadt" - the City of the Refugees.
That's not true Dresden was a Rail hub of what remained of Germany @ the end of the war. it was also one of the last remaining manufacturing strong holds of germany with 110 Operational factories that was continuing to support the war effort. Once Dresden fell the war ended with in a month. In short Dresden was the last city able to support the war effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of...rld_War_II
It's no different than cowardly Islamist fighters using mosks and schools to headquarter in. If the cowards hide behind civilians then the civilians have a responsibility to leave or be deemed combatants as well.


Quote:As the incendiaries fell, the phosphorus clung to the bodies of those below, turning them into human torches. The screaming of those who were being burned alive was added to the cries of those not yet hit. There was no need for flares to lead the second wave of bombers to their target, as the whole city had become a gigantic torch. It must have been visible to the pilots from a hundred miles away. Dresden had no defences, no anti-aircraft guns, no searchlights, nothing.

In the above artical it details the german defense. It was light as the war was comming to an end, but it was indeed defended. To say otherwise is an outright lie.

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2-Using atomic weapons against civilians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom...#Hiroshima
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom...i#Nagasaki

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/hiroshima.htm
Hiroshima was the LARGEST Japanese marsheling city for quick soldier and supply distribution incase of a main land invasion. There were several batiallions of men equipment and supplies at the time of the bombing. The reason being it was semi centrally located/hub city with roads and rail access that put it with in a day's travel of any planned invasion. Nagasaki was the Largest sea port in Japan whic not only allow the Japanese to receive provisions, but also served what was left of their navy. Which again makes it a military target. Not to mention The US dropped over 63 million leaflets warning the citizens of the comming bombs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom...d_Nagasaki

If their was ever a war crime committed it would be in the fire bombing of tokyo. Even Gen. LeMay said "we'd better win this war, because otherwise I will be hung as a war criminal."


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3-The creation of Israel:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion...68123.html

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4-My Lai massacre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

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5-Bombings of Laos (Vietnam war):

http://apjjf.org/2012/10/47/Jeremy-Kuzma...ticle.html

Meh... One man's war crime, is another man's war.

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I lost count-Abu Ghuraib (Iraq)

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560
Maybe you should also include the drone attacks, smart bombs, Special forces strikes and everything else you think that gives the west a tactical advantage.
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#36
RE: War crimes of the west
Has anyone on this site ever claimed that the West is blameless and has never committed war crimes?
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#37
RE: War crimes of the west
It's called "war" for a reason. My job was to kill people and break things. I did it remarkably well.
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#38
RE: War crimes of the west
(March 14, 2016 at 12:22 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Has anyone on this site ever claimed that the West is blameless and has never committed war crimes?

Not that I've been aware of.
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#39
RE: War crimes of the west
(March 13, 2016 at 7:57 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Are you a Holocaust denier or something? I mean that's a pretty stupid list if you are going to come up with war crimes of the west.

Here is a hint: Every culture has committed genocide. Everybody is descended from both slaves and slavers. Nobody is blameless. Welcome to being a human.

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I did not ever think that any of you would EVER admit what you just said!!!
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#40
RE: War crimes of the west
Tu quoque justifies everything, sure.

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