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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
March 31, 2016 at 1:04 pm
(March 29, 2016 at 1:30 am)Won2blv Wrote: Your reasoning that you used on the AE is a straw man to everyone like myself that has never ascribed to Pascal wager. And I definitely don't believe that you've proven that it was a requirement for all disciples of Jesus. You said, "well it couldn't hurt" that could be true, but it doesn't prove your point as absolute
If standing on one foot for 3 seconds could somehow improve your chances of winning the lottery, but could not harm them, then why wouldn't you do it?
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 1:38 am
(March 31, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: (March 29, 2016 at 1:30 am)Won2blv Wrote: Your reasoning that you used on the AE is a straw man to everyone like myself that has never ascribed to Pascal wager. And I definitely don't believe that you've proven that it was a requirement for all disciples of Jesus. You said, "well it couldn't hurt" that could be true, but it doesn't prove your point as absolute
If standing on one foot for 3 seconds could somehow improve your chances of winning the lottery, but could not harm them, then why wouldn't you do it?
Because there is no actual evidence that it improves anything. If you can produce demonstrable, testable, objective evidence that it works and do away with the correlation/causation problem, then we'll talk, but not until.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 11:40 am
(April 1, 2016 at 1:38 am)Cephus Wrote: (March 31, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: If standing on one foot for 3 seconds could somehow improve your chances of winning the lottery, but could not harm them, then why wouldn't you do it?
Because there is no actual evidence that it improves anything. If you can produce demonstrable, testable, objective evidence that it works and do away with the correlation/causation problem, then we'll talk, but not until.
I used the word "if."
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 12:21 pm
(April 1, 2016 at 11:40 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: (April 1, 2016 at 1:38 am)Cephus Wrote: Because there is no actual evidence that it improves anything. If you can produce demonstrable, testable, objective evidence that it works and do away with the correlation/causation problem, then we'll talk, but not until.
I used the word "if."
I understand what you said. I'm just pointing out that it isn't a position even worth considering without all of the things I brought up. "If" it works, sure. But that requires a lot of testing and evidence that simply doesn't exist and without that, the claim itself is utterly pointless.
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 1:42 pm
(April 1, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Cephus Wrote: (April 1, 2016 at 11:40 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: I used the word "if."
I understand what you said. I'm just pointing out that it isn't a position even worth considering without all of the things I brought up. "If" it works, sure. But that requires a lot of testing and evidence that simply doesn't exist and without that, the claim itself is utterly pointless.
The point was that if you believe in Jesus, maybe try to do the shit he said.
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 2:37 pm
I believe Jesus was an honest, well intentioned, pious, perhaps confused and delusional fictional man and I intend to do everything I can do make out he was gay.
He touched blokes nobs a lot.
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 4:15 pm
(April 1, 2016 at 2:37 pm)robvalue Wrote: I believe Jesus was an honest, well intentioned, pious, perhaps confused and delusional fictional man and I intend to do everything I can do make out he was gay.
He touched blokes nobs a lot.
Rubbed spit in a dude's eye
Seemed to be into being whipped by men
Surrounded himself with 12 dudes
1 of those dudes kissed him so he was arrested for being gay; aforementioned whips ensued
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April 1, 2016 at 5:05 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 5:06 pm by robvalue.)
Also, I can't remember if it was explicitly mentioned, but he tended to heal a lot more men than women. And he took the hands-on approach. I believe he did call a women a dog, making clear his preferences.
Of course, I'm not implying there is anything wrong with being gay. There isn't. It's totally natural, especially if you're a gay apocalyptic preacher who is gay.
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 1, 2016 at 11:24 pm
(April 1, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: (April 1, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Cephus Wrote: I understand what you said. I'm just pointing out that it isn't a position even worth considering without all of the things I brought up. "If" it works, sure. But that requires a lot of testing and evidence that simply doesn't exist and without that, the claim itself is utterly pointless.
The point was that if you believe in Jesus, maybe try to do the shit he said.
If jesus told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?
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RE: I was on the atheist experience :)
April 2, 2016 at 2:39 am
(April 1, 2016 at 11:24 pm)Won2blv Wrote: (April 1, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: The point was that if you believe in Jesus, maybe try to do the shit he said.
If jesus told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?
Would you?
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