His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago

[FebruaryOfReason]

All the kings mentioned in the bible implicitly have their thrones on land unless otherwise mentioned.
And the world is made of land.

This cannot be a coincidence. It must be definitive proof that God exists.

[FebruaryOfReason]

So if the super fluid hypothesis turns out to be wrong, you'll admit the Koran is fundamentally flawed and Allah was not the prophet of god?

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FebruaryOfReason

It usually doesn't matter, because if a person don't want believe, they won't even if they saw all the signs.

Whereas if you want to believe, you'll ignore any facts that contradict what you believe, and take the flimsiest "evidence" as proof that what you want to believe is true.

For example, 1 word in a 1400 year old book is the same as 1 word in a newly developed and as-yet-unproven theory. So you immediately start a topic saying "This confirms the Koran is right".

But as Jenny A says, if the theory is refuted, you will start precisely 0 topics saying "This suggests the Koran is wrong".

[ignoramus]

[LastPoet]

Guys. Dumb Question. I'm not good at interpreting stuff from the bible as I don't have a motive to decide whether something should be literal vs metaphorical.

When Jesus turned water into wine, what's that proving? That he can do magic tricks? Is that all? I don't think he was helping anyone by turning them into alcoholics.
What's the moral story we are to take from it?

That was actually the last thing hanging me to the faith. It would be preferable to turn water into beer, but I wouldn't complain much

[paulpablo]

So if the super fluid hypothesis turns out to be wrong, you'll admit the Koran is fundamentally flawed and Allah was not the prophet of god?

I need more to disbelieve in the whole religion. I will hate myself and ask for forgivness though, for projecting the verses of God on mere theories without making sure first.

Esqulax

You're right.
I projected the verse on the theory; and that was before I validate such theory.

But to correct you: water in ancient Arabic is not "H2O" only, it refers to any liquid. You can see an example in the Quran itself; semen is referred to as "water".
Why go so far; in English itself, it's so common to refer to a liquid with the term "water"; doesn't "her water broke" ring any bell?

So I'm deeply sorry but no. The water in the verse can refer to liquid so easily, it makes sense even more, saying otherwise makes me wonder about who is debating based on a pre-determined opinion.

To be honest, you didn't answer this: how did Mohammed predict this? what made him say that the universe is drenched in water -which we know it can mean liquid and mostly: it is-? wouldn't it be more and more safe and believable, to say that the universe is drenched in air??

Again I remind you: in ancient Arabic, semen is refered to with "man's water; literally". There's a sickness hitting the eye and cause blindness, called "white water". Acid is called in modern egyptian arabic "fire's water موية نار" -we have an egyptian member who can validate this-. The odds are against your argument.

How do you know Muhammad didn't incorrectly predict that the universe is drenched in semen?

Not a joke by the way. I'm being serious.

And of course the quran word for water definitely doesn't mean H20 in the quran. The person who wrote the quran wouldn't have known what H20 is.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Guys. Dumb Question. I'm not good at interpreting stuff from the bible as I don't have a motive to decide whether something should be literal vs metaphorical.

When Jesus turned water into wine, what's that proving? That he can do magic tricks? Is that all? I don't think he was helping anyone by turning them into alcoholics.
What's the moral story we are to take from it?

That was actually the last thing hanging me to the faith. It would be preferable to turn water into beer, but I wouldn't complain much

As it says in Proverbs 20:1 (MSG) = "Wine makes you mean, beer makes you quarrelsome— a staggering drunk is not much fun."

Jesus loved wine.  Matthew 9:15 (MSG) = "Jesus told them, “When you’re celebrating a wedding, you don’t skimp on the cake and wine. You feast. Later you may need to pull in your belt, but not now. No one throws cold water on a friendly bonfire. This is Kingdom Come!”"

You get a better buss when wine is mixed with water.
2 Maccabees 15:39 (CEB) = "Just as it is harmful to drink wine or water alone while wine mixed with water is delightful and produces joy, so also may the writing of this story delight the ears of those who encounter this work. The end."

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[WinterHold]

Then you have a logical problem.  If the verse describing super fluid provides stunning proof of the divine inspiration of the Koran because the Koran predicted a scientific finding hundreds of years in advance, than it's describing a the failed hypothesis must be proof it's not being divinely inspired.  The only way out of the dilemma is to admit the truth, which is that it doesn't really describe super fluid or at the very least doesn't describe it well enough to be evidence of anything.

No, it means that my interpretation was wrong, that's all.
Mohammed  -the prophet- is dead. I can't ask him.

Though I can ask God, until we swim out to shore or drink from the void, nobody can be certain; Jenny.

Esquilax

So, just to clarify: you'll take any overlap between the Quran and modern knowledge as prophetic, but in those cases in which the Quran's statements are contradicted by later knowledge, there's no problem? That which agrees with the Quran is evidence, but we're just supposed to ignore the reverse? Why is that?

It's pretty long to call something that you can't see; an "overlap". Here: take the following question:

-God don't exist according to the scintific method..
thus; science disproved God !

There's nothing to answer: you've merely assumed a prediction without demonstrating that it is, based on a science article that we've already agreed is in no way confirmed as truthful. See, "these things can be contorted to match!" does not mean that the one predicted the other; it just means that poetic, figurative language can occasionally be twisted to overlap with reality. You'll actually have to demonstratethat A: the Quran is talking about this specific phenomenon, B: that the phenomenon is actually true, and C: this is a divinely inspired prediction, rather than a lucky guess. You're skipping a whole lot of steps before you can call this a prediction.

A needle in a pile of hay never rings a bell?

Between all of the failed theories in the history of man, Mohammed mentioned a theory that quantam physics elected it to be a true possibility ?
Interesting...

Redbard the Pink

I actually do.
The Jeiwish Torah, along with the Christian Bible, do have truth in them, but there is a lot of forgery that touched the books.

Check this verse from the Quran:

Sura 5
( 65 )   And if only the People of the Scripture had believed and feared Allah, We would have removed from them their misdeeds and admitted them to Gardens of Pleasure.
( 66 )   And if only they upheld [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to them from their Lord, they would have consumed [provision] from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them are a moderate community, but many of them - evil is that which they do.
( 67 )   O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.
( 68 )   Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.

So yeah, I do believe in some parts in both books..

robvalue

I actually hate this world rob, I agree.
But I know the fine line between fantasy and reality.

MrNoMorePropaganda

E=MC2, is a 4 character statement, MNMP, and written in a book.
Your name on your ID card is a reality, written on one line too.

Though, trying to catch any tiny fragment while drowning to survive and float, is just an evidence of desperation, not stupidity.
Your mother -as most Christians- is desperate, MNMP.

Jesus's story is not convincing. It's a heathen story. That's why just like heathens, Christians who believe in this theory cling to idols -crosses; statues of Marry-.

 When I say Muhammad traveled between the seven heavens, what I mean is he traveled back and forth between Moses and Allah several times. This was Muhammad's night journey. Fifty prayers a day was too much so Moses wanted Allah to reduce that amount. And, with help of Muhammad, he succeed.

This is a Hadith, it is not a good source for information.
The Quran never mentions such thing.

[downbeatplumb]

Why is all the "scientific stuff" in koran written like a riddler clue?
My first is in water, my second in sky, kind of thing.
Bullet points and specific instructions would have been nice. To prevent infection during child birth boil all utensils and cloth used. Would have been much handier.(cue Atlass finding a koran verse that vaguely hints at warming things)

[ReptilianPeon]