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Free will
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 (May 11, 2016 at 7:52 pm)IATIA Wrote:(May 7, 2016 at 8:20 am)Shadow_Man Wrote: God is not a terrorist. Well you do portray a view of God. I would say that the perspective is a bit skewed. Imagine viewing it all from his perspective instead of ours. 
From god's point of view.
"Look at those dumb fucks down there. They'll just believe any stupid shit. Why would they think I need their worship? They're nothing but an ant farm at best. Pfffft! Come on, let's go. Next round's on you, right?"
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (May 11, 2016 at 8:10 pm)chrisdubbya Wrote: Well you do portray a view of God. I would say that the perspective is a bit skewed. Imagine viewing it all from his perspective instead of ours. If only someone could explain how we might do that, and what a gods perspective would look like...huh?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (May 11, 2016 at 8:10 pm)chrisdubbya Wrote:(May 11, 2016 at 7:52 pm)IATIA Wrote: Rather god is worse than any terrorist. "Love me and worship me or BURN IN HELL forever" and relative to the eternal realm of all space-time, we get 1-0.999... seconds to make this choice. What part of that is not terrorism? That is literally how god is portrayed in the bible and god of the bible and jesus are not all loving at all. There is no fluffy bunny i love you all jesus not at all. god and jesus in the bible are not nice characters at all. Not nice is probably not even a good description of how they really are at all.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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Apparently CW is just a hit and run.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  (May 11, 2016 at 8:10 pm)chrisdubbya Wrote:(May 11, 2016 at 7:52 pm)IATIA Wrote: Rather god is worse than any terrorist. "Love me and worship me or BURN IN HELL forever" and relative to the eternal realm of all space-time, we get 1-0.999... seconds to make this choice. What part of that is not terrorism? Welcome to the forum! 
Rhythm,
Rhythm Wrote:@shadow. If the future can be known, then the future is set. Your future "choices" - are set. Nothing between this moment and those moments can change the outcomes, or your mind. You have merely re-stated the claim of the OP, and I have addressed that argument multiple times within this thread. Please see posts #41, 58, 66, 69, and 81. I actually responded to you personally in post #41 about this same topic, but you may not have been alerted because my response to you was concatenated with my response to mh.brewer by the forum software. The software apparently thought I was a spambot. If you read back through those posts, maybe you will think so, too. Regards, Shadow_Man RE: Free will
May 12, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Thanks for the heads up - I did miss your post. Honestly, you haven't changed much between our positions at this point. You're still denying what must be true of a claim to foreknowledge in order to maintain a claim to free will.... and I still don't think we're talking about the same thing when we use words like choice or free will.
The anecdote regarding your -post- event knowledge of a random dice roll and how that speaks to -fore-knowledge was particularly inept - if you care about that sort of shit, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
SO i will just say this SM
is god all knowing yes or no i don't need a long witted talk or some half backed conclusion just a simple yes or no.
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