Free will

[Little lunch]

What Rhythm said. :-)

[scoobysnack]

So get this god is all knowing he knew humanity would fall he knows what everyone at any given point and time would be doing 
something. so even if we wanted to live a "sinless" life it would be purely impossible. Since god would know our actions a head of time
that being said free will is just a illusion and were all drones. Free will if a god existed the chirstian god it simply doesn't exist only 
the illusion of free will does.

Free will is what allows us all to experience the physical realm. We are here because our soul can't experiment in the spiritual realm where we came from and where we go back into when we leave this physical body. We are all souls that are inhabiting a human form in the physical realm. We are allowed to do harm to others and ourselves for the purpose of learning. It's not desired for us to do harm, but it's allowed because we are beings that are still learning, so we have to make mistakes to learn from them. It's part of our spiritual evolution. As you exist, there are other beings that are at different wave lenthgs vibrating slower and faster then you that are able to interact here. This is the perfection of this planet which will not be understood until you pass on to the next realm. Beyond here you will gravitate to where you belong, but here on earth we can all coexist, and have the ability to love or hate, no matter what we desire.

[Little lunch]

Well, wouldn't that be lovely. But I don't think so. :-)

[dyresand]

So get this god is all knowing he knew humanity would fall he knows what everyone at any given point and time would be doing 
something. so even if we wanted to live a "sinless" life it would be purely impossible. Since god would know our actions a head of time
that being said free will is just a illusion and were all drones. Free will if a god existed the chirstian god it simply doesn't exist only 
the illusion of free will does.

Free will is what allows us all to experience the physical realm. We are here because our soul can't experiment in the spiritual realm where we came from and where we go back into when we leave this physical body. We are all souls that are inhabiting a human form in the physical realm. We are allowed to do harm to others and ourselves for the purpose of learning. It's not desired for us to do harm, but it's allowed because we are beings that are still learning, so we have to make mistakes to learn from them. It's part of our spiritual evolution. As you exist, there are other beings that are at different wave lenthgs vibrating slower and faster then you that are able to interact here. This is the perfection of this planet which will not be understood until you pass on to the next realm. Beyond here you will gravitate to where you belong, but here on earth we can all coexist, and have the ability to love or hate, no matter what we desire.

1. Is god all knowing if so were is no free will. 

2. Is god not all knowing there is free will. 

Which one is correct. If you have a god who is all knowing he gives you the illusion of free will. Free will has nothing to do with what we see, feel, touch or even taste. 
The illusion of our free will is our actions that being said our actions are predetermined we have absolutely no control over what we are going to do say or even think.
To put it like so you have a guy who goes on and murders and rapes people, god being all knowing created this guy for the sole purpose of doing those actions. Who is 
the one fault the creator or the creation for killing. For one the guy has no free will he is simply doing something programmed to. Then you have the creator who programs
this person into killing others just for the hell of it. Who is at fault then do you blame guy or do blame the creator for what he has done. You see what i'm getting at you can't
have your cake and eat too either god knows all or god doesn't know all. Also there is no proof of a soul we have what's called consciousness because we have a brain. for fucks sakes
do not argue for the supernatural unless you have evidence.

[scoobysnack]

Free will is what allows us all to experience the physical realm. We are here because our soul can't experiment in the spiritual realm where we came from and where we go back into when we leave this physical body. We are all souls that are inhabiting a human form in the physical realm. We are allowed to do harm to others and ourselves for the purpose of learning. It's not desired for us to do harm, but it's allowed because we are beings that are still learning, so we have to make mistakes to learn from them. It's part of our spiritual evolution. As you exist, there are other beings that are at different wave lenthgs vibrating slower and faster then you that are able to interact here. This is the perfection of this planet which will not be understood until you pass on to the next realm. Beyond here you will gravitate to where you belong, but here on earth we can all coexist, and have the ability to love or hate, no matter what we desire.

1. Is god all knowing if so were is no free will. 

2. Is god not all knowing there is free will. 

Which one is correct. If you have a god who is all knowing he gives you the illusion of free will. Free will has nothing to do with what we see, feel, touch or even taste. 
The illusion of our free will is our actions that being said our actions are predetermined we have absolutely no control over what we are going to do say or even think.
To put it like so you have a guy who goes on and murders and rapes people, god being all knowing created this guy for the sole purpose of doing those actions. Who is 
the one fault the creator or the creation for killing. For one the guy has no free will he is simply doing something programmed to. Then you have the creator who programs
this person into killing others just for the hell of it. Who is at fault then do you blame guy or do blame the creator for what he has done. You see what i'm getting at you can't
have your cake and eat too either god knows all or god doesn't know all. Also there is no proof of a soul we have what's called consciousness because we have a brain. for fucks sakes
do not argue for the supernatural unless you have evidence.

God desires what he wills. Love is what God desires, but also allows us to experiment for the purpose of personal growth. Everything that happens is allowed for the purpose of the experience. For example people tend to ask why do bad things happen. Why is murder, rape, kidnapping allowed, etc. It's for the purpose of free will. It allows those who wish to do those things to carry out their self determination, and the victims and friends and family, to learn and experience it as well. Those that feel the pain will teach those who come afterwards in the form of children to avoid the pain by teaching. In the end all of us go back into the spiritual realm, and humanity through love and procreation is never ending. 

Bad things happen for the purpose of learning. That's why we are here after all. We all chose to come here, forget where we came from for the purpose of experiencing and learning without being hindered by past experiences. The soul is what we refer to as consciousness,the ID, and the subconscious.

Our purpose is to learn how to love unconditionaly in a place that also has free will where bad things happen. It's very hard to do, but if we didn't have free will that allowed both love and hate, we couldn't grow, and this is a place to grow.

[dyresand]

1. Is god all knowing if so were is no free will. 

2. Is god not all knowing there is free will. 

Which one is correct. If you have a god who is all knowing he gives you the illusion of free will. Free will has nothing to do with what we see, feel, touch or even taste. 
The illusion of our free will is our actions that being said our actions are predetermined we have absolutely no control over what we are going to do say or even think.
To put it like so you have a guy who goes on and murders and rapes people, god being all knowing created this guy for the sole purpose of doing those actions. Who is 
the one fault the creator or the creation for killing. For one the guy has no free will he is simply doing something programmed to. Then you have the creator who programs
this person into killing others just for the hell of it. Who is at fault then do you blame guy or do blame the creator for what he has done. You see what i'm getting at you can't
have your cake and eat too either god knows all or god doesn't know all. Also there is no proof of a soul we have what's called consciousness because we have a brain. for fucks sakes
do not argue for the supernatural unless you have evidence.

God desires what he wills. Love is what God desires,

There he desires what he will's there you go we have no free will of our own if god exists. 
And love is what god desires.. i just said we have no free will of our own you are predetermined to love
god did you catch that... if god exists you are forced to love god you don't have the free will not to love god.

[scoobysnack]

God desires what he wills. Love is what God desires,

There he desires what he will's there you go we have no free will of our own if god exists. 
And love is what god desires.. i just said we have no free will of our own you are predetermined to love
god did you catch that... if god exists you are forced to love god you don't have the free will not to love god.

Clearly you have the free will not to love God, just as you have the free will to commit suicide. Both are bad mistakes, but if you desire it you can do it. Both will also allow others to learn from your mistakes and grow. As unfortunate as mistakes in judgement can be and as as much as people blame God for bad things that happen, they are a result of decisions being made by humans. Really in the end they are your decisions. God allows it to happen, but also intervenes in some instances when needed or asked for.

[dyresand]

There he desires what he will's there you go we have no free will of our own if god exists. 
And love is what god desires.. i just said we have no free will of our own you are predetermined to love
god did you catch that... if god exists you are forced to love god you don't have the free will not to love god.

Clearly you have the free will not to love God, just as you have the free will to commit suicide. Both are bad mistakes, but if you desire it you can do it. Both will also allow others to learn from your mistakes and grow. As unfortunate as mistakes in judgement can be and as as much as people blame God for bad things that happen, they are a result of decisions being made by humans. Really in the end they are your decisions. God allows it to happen, but also intervenes in some instances when needed or asked for.

Okay... i'll state this clearly read from the title if a god existed. I don't believe on exists just stated if one existed.
If a god existed he planned your whole whole entire life out he even makes people not believe in him. If a god existed
we have true free will you cannot have a god who is all knowing and have free will it's incompatible you would need a god
who is simply not all knowing. Sine people with or without free will are going to kill themselves people who do not have
free will simply are doing it only because god has programmed said person to kill themselves. Need i say more because
i don't think you are getting it ill state it as so.

1. All knowing god - free will does not exist only a illusion of free will. 

2. Not all knowing god - free will exists can mess with free will. 

those are your only 2 choices. And i was only strictly talking about the first one.

[Silver]

You're right.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

There he desires what he will's there you go we have no free will of our own if god exists. 
And love is what god desires.. i just said we have no free will of our own you are predetermined to love
god did you catch that... if god exists you are forced to love god you don't have the free will not to love god.

Clearly you have the free will not to love God, just as you have the free will to commit suicide. Both are bad mistakes, but if you desire it you can do it. Both will also allow others to learn from your mistakes and grow. As unfortunate as mistakes in judgement can be and as as much as people blame God for bad things that happen, they are a result of decisions being made by humans. Really in the end they are your decisions. God allows it to happen, but also intervenes in some instances when needed or asked for.

Since no one has seen God how can anyone actually love him?  They just love their delusions about what he might be, which could be totally wrong.

If a person believes in God but visualizes him as a blue colored creature with a head like a lion, a long neck like a gifraffe, legs like those of ants, a torso like that of a chicken, and arms like elephant legs is he wrong?