Islam in Europe: perception and reality

[abaris]

you just didn't like what I said, there was nothing shitty about what I wrote, at least I didn't insult you in my posts, at least that is my standard for a non-shitty post, how about you ?

If throwing an uncontrolled rage fit can be considered something of substance, you actually said something non shitty. I beg to differ.

[Mister Agenda]

I'm confused as to what you're arguing.

It was in reply to the concept of "broad-brushing" which can be done.  If 3-4% of a population are 11th century assholes who want to cut off hands for theft or stone women for adultery then suggesting that the rest of the group are 11th century assholes would be unsuportable.  But when 50-60% of a group express those attitudes then it is time to start looking for root causes.

In the case of islam it is not hard.

The 4 million Muslims who have died as a result of Western actions and policies since 1990? Our habit of knocking down secular governments in the region if they won't play ball with us on oil? Our backing of fundamentalists against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s (and the fundamentalist-oriented textbooks we supplied for Afghanistan schoolchildren, which made their way to Pakistan, which we supplied into the 1990s)? Our financing and military support of the most significant exporter of Wahabbism, Saud Arabia?  

The books of the Jews and Christians are just as primitive. But no one has done more to keep Muslim majority countries fundamentalist and backward than the USA and Europe.

[Marsellus Wallace]

you just didn't like what I said, there was nothing shitty about what I wrote, at least I didn't insult you in my posts, at least that is my standard for a non-shitty post, how about you ?

If throwing an uncontrolled rage fit can be considered something of substance, you actually said something non shitty. I beg to differ.

If posting my opinion in an open and honest way is considered 'throwing an uncontrolled rage fit', then I agree.

[Thumpalumpacus]

you just didn't like what I said, there was nothing shitty about what I wrote, at least I didn't insult you in my posts, at least that is my standard for a non-shitty post, how about you ?

Of course you don't think there's anything shitty about brushing an entire group of 1.3 billion folks as scum. We get it.

I really regret discussing anything here.............., seriously man , WTF ??!

I regret having welcomed you back -- had I known you were this unthinkingly simplistic, I would have facepalmed instead.

Anyway, you can have the last word here. I'm done trying to communicate with you; I've already spent too much time on someone not worth it.

[Drich]

So what can the west do?
How do you decide who are the peaceful ones and who are the potential terrorists?

I don't think one can.
Only a multi generational change of thinking may accomplish that.
And by the time that happens, you'll find the women are magically not wearing their stupid slave clothes either.
These are the same women who demand we not dictate to them what they can and can't wear. Go figure.

How can you tell the difference between if anyones peaceful or a terrorist?

Should we just ban everyone?

The first thing we have to do is throw away this PC bullshit.

two you must actually make an effort to understand the basics of Islam. The primary thing you need to know it is meant to take over the world by hook or by crook. (by gimmick/lie or by force.) All you have to do is objectively and honestly read the koran, everything is spelled out on page. Their is no ultimate live and let live anywhere in their belief system, their is no assimilation into a host's country's culture. those who have adopted this live and let live are either biding their time (as per what their religion teaches) or they are luke warm in their beliefs. (like a non practicing catholic or Jew)

Problem.. you can't ever truly make that determination. It is on a personal individual level, and again because their religion mandates that they lie about this very thing to outsiders so as not to be persecuted, we can never know.

Now that said take the same race/country person out of Islam and place them in Christianity, they become an open book.

So then why not stop bringing in Muslims from those regions and bring in Christians from those very regions who have been mandated to assimilate into the various cultures? Over 1 million Christians are being held in camps outside of Syria and not welcome anywhere in that region because of their faith, but we don't want fate to befall muslims.. Why not? Oh, that's right it's not PC. 'we' want to help people, just so long as they are not Christian.

[abaris]

The first thing we have to do is throw away this PC bullshit.

Yeah, you're on. Let's drop the PC bullshit. I want you and your ilk gone, along with every other fucking radical from every other religion. Jewish, Muslim, Christian, whatever. I'm not picky choosy. And take the corporate bootlickers with you to some remote Island. Preferably one where you can have your final battle over who's god has the bigger dick. Maybe global warming and the rising sea level takes care of the problem once and for all.

[LastPoet]

Carry on, I am enjoying this... immensely.

[Minimalist]

It was in reply to the concept of "broad-brushing" which can be done.  If 3-4% of a population are 11th century assholes who want to cut off hands for theft or stone women for adultery then suggesting that the rest of the group are 11th century assholes would be unsuportable.  But when 50-60% of a group express those attitudes then it is time to start looking for root causes.

In the case of islam it is not hard.

... he said, ignoring the fact that cherry-pickers are present in all religions.

This is about a majority in many places, though.  When the majority picks cherries....that's a lot of fucking cherries.

[scoobysnack]

You can say a culture is generally one thing without tarring everyone within said culture.

Culture? What culture? I thought it should be pretty clear that there is no such thing as one culture. Unless you didn't read or understand what I wrote before.

Sure cultures are always changing, yet they differ by region. Where do you live, and how old are you? I live in the US, state of Wisconsin and am 34 years old myself. I only ask because I'd like to understand your life experience. From you posts, I'm thinking you are quite young and haven't experienced the real world yet. Still live at your parents house?

In the US we have a lot of micro cultures. Kind of known as the melting pot, and for the most part it's enjoyable sharing the best part of various cultures, even if they become Americanized. Food for example. At the same time within local smaller communities there are shared cultures by those that live there, that don't always match other communities. To each their own seems to work. It's when outsiders come in and stir the settled pot that conflict starts. Often people adopts parts of it if it's beneficial, however, some parts of a foreign culture are destructive and not welcome. Evolution happens over time so people adapt. However with millions of Muslims from war torn countries coming in and not adapting to the culture of the host nation, and instead creating their own culture in the middle of cities demanding that the locals adopt it instead of adapting to the culture they moved to is going to cause conflict.

You seem to be saying Europe doesn't have a culture, and correct me if I'm wrong. Do you prefer migrants assimilate, or do you think your culture is ethnocentric, and that you should adopt the culture of the migrants, or at least sacrifice parts of your culture to integrate the migrants?

[Thumpalumpacus]

... he said, ignoring the fact that cherry-pickers are present in all religions.

This is about a majority in many places, though.  When the majority picks cherries....that's a lot of fucking cherries.

Yes, but your brush is still far too wide. I can't get to it easily on my phone, but when I get home I'll link to a post i made a while back regarding the specific numbers.