Gods immorality.

[KevinM1]

[SteveII]

[vorlon13]

[KevinM1]

From that piece of drivel you posted:


This is an absolutely hideous way to think.

Why? What basis would you have to say that God's analysis of a situation and the correct course of action to follow is wrong? How could you second guess an eternal entity that is omni...everything and whose character is essentially good (moral)? Show me where this is internally inconsistent. I was only pointing out that there are answers to the question the OP brought up and certainly not proof that God does not exist as suggested--only that his "christian" friend was obviously not well informed.

Are the people who murder and attempt to murder their children because they claim God told them to do so morally correct in doing so?

[Won2blv]

Indeed.

The problem with this is that God should be able to accomplish any goals any way he wants, so that if the method involves killing, he chose to use that as a method. Otherwise, he's a lot less than all powerful. A lesser deity would be an awful lot easier to defend, for this reason.

Just putting all your trust in anything, without ever questioning or thinking for yourself, is dangerous. That goes for real and imaginary things.

Similarly, saying "God can do whatever he likes and it's fine by me" is surrendering your humanity.

These are general comments, I'm not aiming them at anyone.

I think that one misplaced idea is that god cannot be loving and justify killing people. So if it is absolutely impossible to be loving and justify killing then the biblical god could not possible be moral and loving. I don't believe this. I believe that the death penalty is wrong because of the possibility of even one person being killed unjustly with no chance of retribution. This is in spite of the fact that I do believe some people deserve death. But I would rather 100 deserving death penalties be missed for the 1 undeserving one to be saved. So if God has perfect wisdom, justice, and knowledge, then I believe that he could justifiably use killing as a method of accomplishing his purpose.

This is just me saying that hypothetically I could trust someone like that. Trusting in god doesn't have to be based off incredulity. Maybe someone applies god suggestions on how to live life and trusts god based off of good results. Its a straw man to say that all christians just think, "god can do whatever he likes and its fine by me" and that it includes immoral unjustified actions

[Socratic Meth Head]

Indeed.

The problem with this is that God should be able to accomplish any goals any way he wants, so that if the method involves killing, he chose to use that as a method. Otherwise, he's a lot less than all powerful. A lesser deity would be an awful lot easier to defend, for this reason.

Just putting all your trust in anything, without ever questioning or thinking for yourself, is dangerous. That goes for real and imaginary things.

Similarly, saying "God can do whatever he likes and it's fine by me" is surrendering your humanity.

These are general comments, I'm not aiming them at anyone.

I think that one misplaced idea is that god cannot be loving and justify killing people. So if it is absolutely impossible to be loving and justify killing then the biblical god could not possible be moral and loving. I don't believe this. I believe that the death penalty is wrong because of the possibility of even one person being killed unjustly with no chance of retribution. This is in spite of the fact that I do believe some people deserve death. But I would rather 100 deserving death penalties be missed for the 1 undeserving one to be saved. So if God has perfect wisdom, justice, and knowledge, then I believe that he could justifiably use killing as a method of accomplishing his purpose.

This is just me saying that hypothetically I could trust someone like that. Trusting in god doesn't have to be based off incredulity. Maybe someone applies god suggestions on how to live life  and trusts god based off of good results. Its a straw man to say that all christians just think, "god can do whatever he likes and its fine by me" and that it includes immoral unjustified actions

God breaks commandment 6. If god requires evil for his purpose, as you claim, "then I believe that he could justifiably use killing as a method of accomplishing his purpose", he isn't all good, as the bible claims. (PSALMS 136:1)

[vorlon13]

I wonder . . .

Even if God kills you (because He HATES you), but you nevertheless meet the Salvific requirement via belief in Jesus, is it still possible to go to heaven ??

[vorlon13]

LOL, a person, unaware God Almighty has sent she-bears to rip him limb from limb for planting 2 different kinds of seeds in the same field, in his dying screams belts out "JESUS !!!, Save me from these bears !!!" indicating a sincere and heartfelt belief in the Risen Lord, could nevertheless subvert God's will in punishing him by siccing the bears on him and wind up in heaven.

What a way to run a religion!! (said in 'Borat' voice).

[SteveII]

Why? What basis would you have to say that God's analysis of a situation and the correct course of action to follow is wrong? How could you second guess an eternal entity that is omni...everything and whose character is essentially good (moral)? Show me where this is internally inconsistent. I was only pointing out that there are answers to the question the OP brought up and certainly not proof that God does not exist as suggested--only that his "christian" friend was obviously not well informed.

Are the people who murder and attempt to murder their children because they claim God told them to do so morally correct in doing so?

God commanded the recognized intermediary leader of a theocracy (Moses, Joshua, or a judge--depending on what story you want to use), to carry out a battle strategy in a brutal time and in a brutal land. 

Your scenario is nonsense.

[Whateverist]

Not sure why people get worked up about all the omni/eternal/mega qualities of the Christian cosmic watchmaker. This notion is too bogus to deserve serious criticism. Much better just to laugh and move on.