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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
All arguments for "God" have their own internal consistency, which makes them logically airtight, but ultimately they fail because they 'prove' nothing more than the argument works. They all rely on the existence of the very thing they're intended to prove, otherwise they don't mean anything.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 11:58 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I tell you what - either A or B and I will change my mind of Atheists generally being stubborn people who want to hold on to ignorance as proof that God is not known to others.
A. Present well in the best charitable manner all arguments for God by at least five famous philosophers and show they are wrong. Charitable means you ought to look for premises to further their premises and claims, not just debunk them. Show you really tried to see it - fill in hidden premises - and show why it's not true.
B. Present well all the arguments I have brought over the years for God or at least five of what you think are my better or clearer arguments. Do the same as above and show why it's wrong.
I have yet to meet a truly sincerely searching Atheist for the truth with all out resolve. I see people vehement with a passion to remain ignorant. I see some looking for evidence confused, but really a little effort on their part to understand.
I want to see at least one not like this.
Tough shit, MK. Keep your silly Allah delusion if you like. I'm under no obligation whatsoever to play by your rules or to waste my time trying to convince someone so obsessed with his beliefs that he accuses total strangers of being dishonest and ignorant.
If *I* were your god, I would arrange to have life slap you silly with a long string of misadventures and failures until you smartened the fuck up and apologized for your mischaracterization of non-believers.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Perhaps that's why allah guided him to AF. "A long string of failures" is a surgically accurate description of his god argument threads. 
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Astreja Wrote: If *I* were your god, I would arrange to have life slap you silly with a long string of misadventures and failures until you smartened the fuck up and apologized for your mischaracterization of non-believers.
*smiles* and would the "evil" I experience be worth it?
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
Nope, that's what makes it so sad.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Nope, that's what makes it so sad.
Yet she would do that.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
Is it a problem?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:26 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Is it a problem?
It's a very natural phrase she just stated.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Good, I always like to end on a note of agreement.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
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We're interesting creatures, aren't we?
Consider a story from beyond your religious indoctrination. The suffering of Wotan. The evil he endured - and perpetrated..in search of knowledge. Knowledge above all things. There was nothing he wouldn;t give for it. He tried to trade his life for knowledge, he lost his eye for knowledge. He eventually got it. He could cast the runes and do magic and even foretell the future. He could see more with his remaining eye than any man could see with both of theirs.
However, like Cassandra, his knowledge of the future is wedded to a curse. He cannot change it. For all of his power, he will lose the war against jotun, and he will die. Was the evil and suffering worth it, for the knowledge he gained?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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