Fucking dammit Huggy, I wonder why I bother engaging with you sometimes. Most times.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
- Thomas Jefferson
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Dr. Craig is a liar.
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I don't think he quite realizes he just made our entire case for us.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. 
You're going to have to elaborate on that.
The Placebo Effect is what happens when a person thinks they're getting medicine, but in reality nothing is happening.
However, due to their brain's reaction to the "good news" of the cure they're getting, they produce fewer stress hormones and their immune system's reaction improves. They are thus "cured" (or improved) by absolutely nothing other than their own natural processes. Saying that faith-curing is the Placebo Effect is exactly what we've been claiming all along. However, in the prayer tests on cardiac patients, it turned out that in the double-blind tests, no difference was noted between those who were being prayed for and those who weren't... and when the subjects knew they were being prayed for, they actually fared slightly worse, as if they gave up on their own healing process in order to rely on a supernatural process that simply doesn't exist.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm
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Which is damning, because if faith is placebo.....granted, btw...sugar pills work better than faith -as- a placebo. Perhaps we should stop all this praying to god and start farming more beets?
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(May 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The Placebo Effect is what happens when a person thinks they're getting medicine, but in reality nothing is happening.Nice explanation attempt but as the article I posted states "Scientists recognize that there are placebo effects but have trouble accounting for them.". would you mind posting your source that contradicts that statement? (May 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Saying that faith-curing is the Placebo Effect is exactly what we've been claiming all along. However, in the prayer tests on cardiac patients, it turned out that in the double-blind tests, no difference was noted between those who were being prayed for and those who weren't... and when the subjects knew they were being prayed for, they actually fared slightly worse, as if they gave up on their own healing process in order to rely on a supernatural process that simply doesn't exist. Again, what were talking about is faith (aka belief) being able to heal, not prayer... hence "the prayer of FAITH shall save the sick". A prayer without faith ain't doing jack, neither is a placebo without faith. (May 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Which is damning, because if faith is placebo.....granted, btw...sugar pills work better than faith -as- a placebo. Perhaps we should stop all this praying to god and start farming more beets? I think you're confused. The placebo is the catalyst to activate your faith. 
People with absolutely zero faith experience the placebo effect too. There's nothing linking the 'faith' described in the Bible to the phenomenon of the placebo effect.
Furthermore, there have been studies on the effects of prayer on patients. Just look up the STEP studies sponsored by the Templeton Foundation. The effect of prayer was non-existent in most cases, and negative in some. Are you telling me that all those believing Christians just didn't use 'faith' in those prayers?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson Quote: I think you're confused. The placebo is the catalyst to activate your faith. What in the ever-loving fuck does that mean.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
If it works, it's god. If it doesn't, rinse and repeat until it does.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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