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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 4:17 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Obama's done some good things, an some bad. he has made improvements. the problem is he's still a corporatist. He still sells out to the donars. he's about as far left as he can be, while still working within a corrupt establishment.
No he is not. At best he has unfortunately had to do what Bill Had to do, throw the screaming child in the candy isle a candy bar to get them to shut the fuck up. But again, being a hostage forced to play their game is not the same as being the hostage taker.
Obama nor Bill were in office when Reagan and the GOP started deregulation and union busting. Nor did either of them constitute the entire congress that entire time. No president operates alone like a dictator.
Both Bill Clinton and Obama were put in office by VOTERS, and as voters we are on the right side of history, where we suck is pushing back, especially in midterms to force, not only a president, but our congress to pull back to the left. Problems are not magically solved by one person. And this is why I don't like the infighting between supporters of Hillary or Bernie. Neither are going to be a sudden magic pill. It will still take us even after the election to push even more on both the president and congress. But Obama and Hillary and Bernie are still a step in the right direction despite what they've had to deal with from the right.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 4:21 pm
I definitely believe that Hillary is better than trump, but Bernie is even better than Hillary. It's just quite entertaining to see two out of the three biggest candidates being anti establishment.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 4:27 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I definitely believe that Hillary is better than trump, but Bernie is even better than Hillary. It's just quite entertaining to see two out of the three biggest candidates being anti establishment.
NO, what you are seeing from both side's voters is no economic stability, but only one side's VOTERS have the right ideas as to how to fix the problem. Both Hillary or Bernie would be forced to be tougher on the GOP if our voters back up the winner and at the same time put pressure on congress.
I think it is stupid for Hillary to pretend anti establishment, instead she should simply say FUCK THE GOP, but all our democratic politicians for the past 40 years have spent too much time trying to compete with the GOP cold war slur trying to prove we can be like them, I don't want my politicians competing with the GOP I want them defeating the GOP.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 4:33 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: (April 11, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So.... if they didn't suck so much you'd like them?
Interesting commentary.
I just don't like Obama as a President. But yet again, it doesn't really affect me personally who rules your country. Just hope you elect someone good in the future.
If Drumpf started dropping nukes around you'd feel differently.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 9:07 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: (April 11, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So.... if they didn't suck so much you'd like them?
Interesting commentary.
I just don't like Obama as a President. But yet again, it doesn't really affect me personally who rules your country. Just hope you elect someone good in the future.
But yet you still have a strong opinion that he's one of the worst US president ever. Not a easy task if you consider history past the last eight years.
In your opinion, what makes him the one of the worst presidents ever? I'm just curious. From my perspective that poor fucker has had to duct tape and bailer twine his way through years of obstructionist bullshit as president. MacGyver would be proud.
It's also a strong statement that you would vote republican "If they weren't so anti-trans". I don't even know where to start with that on. Your certainly a unique individual.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm
He's spouting republicunt propaganda. He's not out there starting wars. He saved the auto industry. He did manage to get a semblance of health care reform through. The economy has rebounded from the shit-lined pit that Bush and his fucking corporate pals threw us in. In republicuntese being the worst president ever means that he did not do what the republicunts wanted...which, in my opinion, is about as good as we could have gotten given the hole we started in.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 9:16 pm
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(April 11, 2016 at 9:07 pm)Kosh Wrote: (April 11, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I just don't like Obama as a President. But yet again, it doesn't really affect me personally who rules your country. Just hope you elect someone good in the future.
But yet you still have a strong opinion that he's one of the worst US president ever. Not a easy task if you consider history past the last eight years.
In your opinion, what makes him the one of the worst presidents ever? I'm just curious. From my perspective that poor fucker has had to duct tape and bailer twine his way through years of obstructionist bullshit as president. MacGyver would be proud.
It's also a strong statement that you would vote republican "If they weren't so anti-trans". I don't even know where to start with that on. Your certainly a unique individual.
I think it was just an uniformed reactionary brain fart type response.
I do disagree that it doesn't effect citizens of other nations. If all of a sudden the crazy in Syria spread to all of the middle east and a flood, 20 times worse, of immigrants started flooding into Europe... OR if Russia decided they wanted all of Ukraine and were less interested in sending gas to Europe... OR if India decided it was sick of playing politics with Pakistan... etc... etc... in those and many more scenarios it effects the world who the commander in chief of the US military and head of the largest economy in the world is.
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 10:18 pm
Or if a US President tried reverse two multi billion dollar trade deficits overnight...
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 10:28 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He's spouting republicunt propaganda. He's not out there starting wars. He saved the auto industry. He did manage to get a semblance of health care reform through. The economy has rebounded from the shit-lined pit that Bush and his fucking corporate pals threw us in. In republicuntese being the worst president ever means that he did not do what the republicunts wanted...which, in my opinion, is about as good as we could have gotten given the hole we started in.
Who's spouting republican propaganda?
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RE: At least Obama admits it
April 11, 2016 at 10:30 pm
(April 11, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Goosebump Wrote: (April 11, 2016 at 9:07 pm)Kosh Wrote: But yet you still have a strong opinion that he's one of the worst US president ever. Not a easy task if you consider history past the last eight years.
In your opinion, what makes him the one of the worst presidents ever? I'm just curious. From my perspective that poor fucker has had to duct tape and bailer twine his way through years of obstructionist bullshit as president. MacGyver would be proud.
It's also a strong statement that you would vote republican "If they weren't so anti-trans". I don't even know where to start with that on. Your certainly a unique individual.
I think it was just an uniformed reactionary brain fart type response.
I do disagree that it doesn't effect citizens of other nations. If all of a sudden the crazy in Syria spread to all of the middle east and a flood, 20 times worse, of immigrants started flooding into Europe... OR if Russia decided they wanted all of Ukraine and were less interested in sending gas to Europe... OR if India decided it was sick of playing politics with Pakistan... etc... etc... in those and many more scenarios it effects the world who the commander in chief of the US military and head of the largest economy in the world is.
I suppose it was.
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