God said People who have Flat Noses Canot Serve Him

[Drich]

-and now you see how its funny-

I don't understand how this is funny-- it's a list of discriminations against the disabled, prohibiting them from serving in the priesthood even though they were born to the tribe for whom it was a birthright. (Still lets them eat from the food set aside for the priests, though, so... that's nice.) If it really is The Word Of God™, as claimed by Christians, I find that god to be rather horrifying.

On the other hand, if our assertion is correct and the Bible is really just a collection of the bad ideas and social prejudices of one group of Bronze/Iron-Age tribes in the ancient Near East, it makes a lot more sense. Humans are the ones who worry about things like who's having sex with whom, who has a "gross" disability they want to keep out of sight, et cetera, not gods.

It is very clear, from verses like this and from many others, that the Bible is not the "inspired word of God", as claimed. Only those who wear the blinders of religious indoctrination can't see it, clear-as-day.

No, what is clear is the word of the bible does not describe your idea of God, that's all. You want a world/place where all are equal. Here's the thing not all men were created equal. We are not all adjustable wrenches that can 1/2 ass fit any size. We are all created differently with different strengths and weaknesses. God does not glorify one over another. We do that. we assign worth/self worth on our abilities and disabilities.

Here is where your 'judgement' of God fails. You wrongly assume that man's judgement or man's social worth scale is what God is operating on when He says no flatnoses or cripples can do "X". Again this is no different than one insisting  on using a purpose forged 9/16 wrench on a 9/16 nut, rather than use a set of vise grips pliers to try and do the same job. Because the purpose built wrench is made for one single task, and the vise grips are a multi tool that doesn't really do anything well, but rather can be half assed into just about every situation.

We are the ones who put the premium values on tools and certain jobs. not God. Your assessment is as childish as wanting a mechanic working on your car to use a red screwdriver at some point and he goes though uses several different tools out of his box except the red screw driver, because he does not need it. How foolish are you to insist that he use a tool not fit for the job, just because you wanted him to use a specific tool??

Seriously would you confront a mechanic for not using a tool you wanted to see him use if the job did not require the use of the tool? How is this different? oh, that's right you have a screwed up version of right and wrong. You are working under the wrong assumption that we are all created equal. you believe all tools should have the right to be used on all jobs if someone wants to see that tool being used no matter if it is a fit or not. That's a sound plan let's see how long english is the primary language of the world when china is forging purpose built tools for specific jobs and using the right tool for the job.

[Drich]

-and now you see how its funny-

You know what? I'm still fuming about this.

The above verses could have read:

"The Lord said to Moses, Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come, all of your descendants shall have a birthright to come near to offer the food of his God; you shall not prohibit equal access to a man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has sickness or damaged testicles. Any descedant of Aaron the priest is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord, for all mankind are my children, and shall be free to worship as is their right. Whether or not they do this, they may eat the most holy food of God, as well as the holy food; and never because of their differences shall you deny them to go near the curtain or approach the altar, lest you desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them all holy."

If it had said that, think how many centuries of prejudice, difficulty, and even torment could have been spared to the disabled!

But no, human prejudices and the ignorant fear of the unknown are there, instead.

Edit to Add: When I said, "man", I deliberately left out the part about also allowing women to do it, to provide true equal access, as some modern churches are recently doing, as it seemed a tiny bit beyond the scope of the point I'm trying to reach, here.

self righteous douche.


What makes you think any prejudices or fear of the unknown persisted outside temple worship? The opposite would seem to be true. "unclean" people had very vital and necessary "unclean jobs." As such were compensated more for doing things others could not. If all were created equal who would attend the sick and dying, who would handle the dead, who would trade with outsiders, who would do all the thing necessary that would allow an isolationist society possible?

Different tools different roles. You D-bags on the left want to more to a more socialist type society well, this is what they look like. Not everyone is a High priests. Only a handful of those are ever needed. These types of soceity do not bring people all up, but rather exalt a few, and most keep everyone else on par. whatever that par maybe.

That is what is going on here.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm the douche?!?

What in the FUCK could a person's damaged testicles (and before you answer, keep in mind that I am a survivor of testicular cancer, and have had one removed) have to do with their suitability for the priesthood?

Finally, humans are not tools, or any other sort of inanimate object. We are all humans, regardless of what genetic anomalies or diseases we have acquired. The fact that you're capable of justifying that horrible thinking, especially through the excuse you just gave, is disgusting.

This has zero, repeat ZERO, to do with socialism, and everything to do with recognizing the humanity of the people on that list... something you and your deity (or at least, the priests claiming to speak for that deity) apparently fail to do.

[Faith No More]

The irony of Drich calling someone else self-righteous is just too much to bear.

[LadyForCamus]

After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath. [emoji19]

[KevinM1]

After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

That or a troll.

Either way, I'm happy for the ignore list feature.

[dyresand]

After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

[dyresand]

After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath.  [emoji19]

That or a troll.

Either way, I'm happy for the ignore list feature.

Gotta love that feature.

[Little lunch]

This is bullshit. Why do the flat noses get to sit around while us long noses do all the serving?
Fucking fuck god. If see him around these parts I'll show him a fucking flat nose.
I'll just be like, 'hey god, I just wanted to talk to you about BANG take that you smarmy old fuck.' :-)

[TubbyTubby]

After several months of witnessing Drich defend the indefensible, and speak about specific groups of human beings as though they were inanimate objects, I've come to think there is a strong likelihood of him being a sociopath. [emoji19]

Your prognosis seems like a good fit. I can't help feeling that on this forum he is becoming an exaggerated caricature of his real life self. I don't believe anyone could hold his beliefs or act like such an arrogant twat in person and actually maintain relationships.

Drich would you mind posting a short video, just introduce yourself and tell us a few things about your life. I'm genuinely interested.

http://m.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

How to Spot a Sociopath (with Pictures) - wikiHow

"This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals."

8 See if the person has a huge ego. Sociopaths often have delusions of grandeur and think they are the greatest people in the world. They will be completely unresponsive to criticism and have an extremely inflated sense of self.