Game of Thrones Season 6 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Excited Penguin]

Aroura, read what Gaiman said. Again. Slowly. Carefully. You can then invite "Angela" to do it as well.

Do I actually have to repeat his arguments, which would be/are mine as well? Your feelings about the whole situation are entirely irrelevant. You can't rush this process, no one can. Thinking that you can and that it's somehow the writer's fault(don't even start me on the implicit arrogance here) is extremely naive of you, to say the least.

[Aroura]

Yes, I read it.  He says at the end (and I read it carefully the first time, thanks very much)

And Gareth, in the future, when you see other people complaining that George R.R. Martin has been spotted doing something other than writing the book they are waiting for, explain to them, more politely than I did the first time, the simple and unanswerable truth: George R. R. Martin is not working for you.

Hope that helps.

I disagree.  Martin IS working for his fans, his audience (as well as his publisher and himself).  I don't think artists are that different from butchers. They sell a product, and the consumers of that product are who they are, at least in part, beholden to.

[Aroura]

Aroura, read what Gaiman said. Again. Slowly. Carefully. You can then invite "Angela" to do it as well.

Do I actually have to repeat his arguments, which would be/are mine as well? Your feelings about the whole situation are entirely irrelevant. You can't rush this process, no one can. Thinking that you can and that it's somehow the writer's fault(don't even start me on the implicit arrogance here) is extremely naive of you, to say the least.

See, here you said I don't disagree, I just don't understand.

No.

I totally, understand.  I just disagree.  Artists are not special flowers.  They make a product.  If they promise a product, and don't deliver it, there will be consequences.  I get that it is art and it takes something more than JUST hard work to produce a good version of it. Does not change the fact that a product was promised and not delivered.

I have a friend who is a very famous opera singer.  She hates that artists are treated differently than others.  When she signs a contract to compose a new piece and then perform it, if she does not complete it, those who hired her to write it have every right to be upset.  And those who were waiting  to watch the performance do as well.

[Excited Penguin]

Aroura, read what Gaiman said. Again. Slowly. Carefully. You can then invite "Angela" to do it as well.

Do I actually have to repeat his arguments, which would be/are mine as well? Your feelings about the whole situation are entirely irrelevant. You can't rush this process, no one can. Thinking that you can and that it's somehow the writer's fault(don't even start me on the implicit arrogance here) is extremely naive of you, to say the least.

See, here you said I don't disagree, I just don't understand.

No.

I totally, understand.  I just disagree.  Artists are not special flowers.  They make a product.  If they promise a product, and don't deliver it, there will be consequences.  I get that it is art and it takes something more than JUST hard work to produce a good version of it. Does not change the fact that a product was promised and not delivered.

I have a friend who is a very famous opera singer.  She hates that artists are treated differently than others.  When she signs a contract to compose a new piece and then perform it, if she does not complete it, those who hired her to write it have every right to be upset.  And those who were waiting  to watch the performance do as well.

Please read what Gaiman wrote again. You clearly must have missed a few points, since you keep coming up with arguments he already demolished. Why are you so stubborn about this? GRRM doesn't owe you anything, what is so hard to understand about that? Were you spoiled as a child?

Please don't compare one of the best fiction authors alive with a fucking opera singer, of all people. LOL.

[pocaracas]

hmmm, now I kind of want the full soundtrack for the show :/

Babe, you're singing my song!

[Aroura]

See, here you said I don't disagree, I just don't understand.

No.

I totally, understand.  I just disagree.  Artists are not special flowers.  They make a product.  If they promise a product, and don't deliver it, there will be consequences.  I get that it is art and it takes something more than JUST hard work to produce a good version of it. Does not change the fact that a product was promised and not delivered.

I have a friend who is a very famous opera singer.  She hates that artists are treated differently than others.  When she signs a contract to compose a new piece and then perform it, if she does not complete it, those who hired her to write it have every right to be upset.  And those who were waiting  to watch the performance do as well.

Please read what Gaiman wrote again. You clearly must have missed a few points, since you keep coming up with arguments he already demolished. Why are you so stubborn about this? GRRM doesn't owe you anything, what is so hard to understand about that? Were you spoiled as a child?

Please don't compare one of the best fiction authors alive with a fucking opera singer, of all people. LOL.

I know, feeling disappointed means I'm a child.  I keep seeing this argument made.  You can feel that way if you want, but my feelings are as valid as yours.  Throwing around insults isn't going to win you any arguments.

Nor did I say he owned me anything.  He can do whatever he likes, just like anyone else.  But actions have consequences.  Even he knows he let his fanbase down.  I totally sympathize with his situation.  But at the same time, he got himself into it, so....

He's put a lot of people, including himself, in a bad situation.  Oddly, HE is being more mature and owning up to it, while his some of his fans go all fanboi and whiteknight him.  I respect the hell out of him for owning up to his own fault in this situation, and I'm really glad he took that stance publicly.

So, I agree with George R.R. Martin on this Topic.  You don't.  Please tell me why you think George is wrong about taking responsibility for his own mistakes?

[Excited Penguin]

Please read what Gaiman wrote again. You clearly must have missed a few points, since you keep coming up with arguments he already demolished. Why are you so stubborn about this? GRRM doesn't owe you anything, what is so hard to understand about that? Were you spoiled as a child?

Please don't compare one of the best fiction authors alive with a fucking opera singer, of all people. LOL.

I know, feeling disappointed means I'm a child.  I keep seeing this argument made.  You can feel that way if you want, but my feelings are as valid as yours.  Throwing around insults isn't going to win you any arguments.

Nor did I say he owned me anything.  He can do whatever he likes, just like anyone else.  But actions have consequences.  Even he knows he let his fanbase down.  I totally sympathize with his situation.  But at the same time, he got himself into it, so....

He's put a lot of people, including himself, in a bad situation.  Oddly, HE is being more mature and owning up to it, while his some of his fans go all fanboi and whiteknight him.  I respect the hell out of him for owning up to his own fault in this situation, and I'm really glad he took that stance publicly.

So, I agree with George R.R. Martin on this Topic.  You don't.  Please tell me why you think George is wrong about taking responsibility for his own mistakes?

You're completely oblivious to any nuance, that much is clear.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm just terribly dissapointed in your judgement on this matter. I didn't take you to be so simplistic. That being said, sorry for losing my cool and have a very nice day/evening.

[Aroura]

I know, feeling disappointed means I'm a child.  I keep seeing this argument made.  You can feel that way if you want, but my feelings are as valid as yours.  Throwing around insults isn't going to win you any arguments.

Nor did I say he owned me anything.  He can do whatever he likes, just like anyone else.  But actions have consequences.  Even he knows he let his fanbase down.  I totally sympathize with his situation.  But at the same time, he got himself into it, so....

He's put a lot of people, including himself, in a bad situation.  Oddly, HE is being more mature and owning up to it, while his some of his fans go all fanboi and whiteknight him.  I respect the hell out of him for owning up to his own fault in this situation, and I'm really glad he took that stance publicly.

So, I agree with George R.R. Martin on this Topic.  You don't.  Please tell me why you think George is wrong about taking responsibility for his own mistakes?

You're completely oblivious to any nuance, that much is clear.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm just terribly dissapointed in your judgement on this matter. I didn't take you to be so simplistic. That being said, sorry for losing my cool and have a very nice day/evening.

Yes, insulting me will convince me.  Good argument, lol.

So insult me a bunch more, then apologize. lol.  That being said, I don't really expect anything else from you, so no apology necessary just for being yourself.  I'm not upset at you or anything.  

Yeah, you have a nice day too. 

[Clueless Morgan]

[Aroura]

Honestly, me either.  I just had an unpopular opinion.  Didn't mean to kill the thread.

Anyway, I'm dying waiting for the new season. I hope some characters who have been mired down for a while finally get a move on, like Danny.