Game of Thrones Season 6 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Iroscato]

Yeah, the trouble with the "Bran = 3 Eyed Crow" theory is that the Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven, who is most definitely an entire other person

In the books, perhaps. Has it been explicitly stated that's who he is/was in the by now quite different show?

[SteelCurtain]

Yeah, the trouble with the "Bran = 3 Eyed Crow" theory is that the Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven, who is most definitely an entire other person

Completely forgot about the Bloodraven. I do like Homeless Nutter's idea, though.

[Homeless Nutter]

WUT?!
She's NEVER forgiven Tyrion for Killing her mother.
All her life, she's had a festering hate for the imp.

And yet - she hadn't done anything about it, that we know of, for 30+ years. What changed at that precise moment, in Winterfell?

If that's not reason enough, I don't know what may be...

How about - being a spoiled psychopath, who thinks himself invincible and who just got slapped by an "imp" - and probably not for the first time.

And Jaime agreeing with Tyrion on blaming Joffrey... well... Jaime had an interest in silencing Bran, too...

Jamie is a POV character in the books. He may have reasons to lie about his involvement to Tyrion, Catelyn, or whoever - but there's no reason to lie to the reader, who's following his thought process. Also worth mentioning is that Cersei - who's also a POV character in the later books - never once remembers scheming to blame Tyrion for Bran's assassination, even though she continually obsesses over Tyrion, as well as her own past. It's odd, that she would never think to herself, that her brother's perceived hatred towards her and her children might stem from the fact, that he could have found out about her alleged plot to frame him for Bran.

[Clueless Morgan]

What was Joffrey's motive, when he cut open a pregnant cat, to get the kittens out (in the book, anyway)?
What was Joffrey's motive for torturing prostitutes and killing at least one?
What was the motive for publicly torturing Sansa?
What was his motive for killing Ned Stark?

Psycho
Power trip + Psycho
Power trip + Psycho
Power trip + Psycho

Notice one thing about Joffrey pre-ascension: He was definitely a spoiled little sadistic psychopath, as you point out, but he was also a bit of a wimp who hadn't been entirely let loose to run with his power-tripping ego after he became king and no one could stop him.  He was on a long leash, but he was still on a leash, and Robert was on the other end of it.  I'm not saying I think Cersei or Jaime were behind the attack on Bran, I'm saying I don't buy that Joffrey was.  His attention being turned to other people only happened after he became king and damned-near invincible.

Cersei at that point didn't have any particular reasons to want Tyrion eliminated, beyond those Joffrey had.

WUT?!
She's NEVER forgiven Tyrion for Killing her mother.
All her life, she's had a festering hate for the imp.

And yet - she hadn't done anything about it, that we know of, for 30+ years. What changed at that precise moment, in Winterfell?

(1) What Poca said.

(2) Cersei isn't entirely stupid.  She's cunning in her own shortsighted way, but I would believe that she is entirely capable of bidding her time until the right moment to frame Tyrion for something he didn't do and get him executed *cough*poinsingJoffrey*cough* if she was, in fact, behind the attack on Bran.  Also, 30+ years of stewing over her hatred until the moment comes where she can do something about it?  Way more believable to me than Joffrey committing an act of "mercy" by having Bran killed.

But, hey - you don't have to take it from me. In the books both Tyrion and Jamie come to similar conclusions.

When?  Where?  I'm not saying you're not citing something true, I just don't remember this and am interested in looking it up.

[wiploc]

Some here are saying that whoever hired Bran's assassin was trying to set Tyrion up to take the fall.

That's because of the knife, right? The assassin used a knife that used to belong to Tyrion? But we got that story much later, and from Littlefinger. Why would we trust Littlefinger? And, in Littlefinger's story, he, Littlefinger used to own that same knife. He lost it to Tyrion in a bet. Tyrion won it by betting that his brother Jamie would lose a joust. Jamie lost, so Tyrion got the knife.

But that's Littlefinger's story. Tyrion denies it, says he has never ever bet against his family.

So I don't think Tyrion ever owned the knife, and I don't think whoever hired the assassin could have anticipated that the knife would be linked to Tyrion.

If the person who hired the assassin was trying to set anybody up, it was Littlefinger.

[SteelCurtain]

When?  Where?  I'm not saying you're not citing something true, I just don't remember this and am interested in looking it up.

Tyrion recalls a memory whilst he was at Winterfell, in which he overheard Joffrey Baratheon jesting with The Hound to send a dog to kill a wolf. He guesses that Joffrey hired the catspaw among those that joined the king's party as they made their way North and that he had found the dagger amongst his father's weapons and had simply taken it. However, Tyrion is unable to figure out why Joffrey wanted Bran dead, and attributes it to his innate cruelty.[2]

Jaime later realises that Joffrey sent the assassin in an attempt to impress his father, after overhearing a drunken Robert Baratheon say it would be kinder to put the crippled Bran Stark out of his misery.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Cat...7D.7D.7D-1

Tyrion puzzles out how his nephew must have found Littlefinger’s Valyrian dagger amongst Robert’s possessions, assuming that the king had probably forgotten he even owned it. Joffrey must then have paid some unsavory freerider to open Bran’s throat, though Tyrion still cannot figure out why, attributing it to Joffrey's innate cruelty for the moment.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_S...Chapter_60

When Cersei mentions that Robert himself, at Winterfell, said it would be kinder to put the boy out of his misery while alone with her and their children, Jaime figures out that it was Joffrey, 'desperate for a pat on the head from that sot', who sent the assassin to kill Bran, even though Cersei does not believe him when he tells her his suspicions, just as Jaime does not believe her when Cersei insists again that Tyrion is responsible for Joffrey's death.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_S...Chapter_72

From the books perspective, Jaime and Cersei have no reason to be lying to each other over this.

[pocaracas]

I've played enough mafia to know how doublethink works. ;-)

[Aegon]

Book readers: GRRM.recently confirmed a small fan theory. Brienne is a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall. Not a big deal, but a cool factoid nonetheless

[SteelCurtain]

I know you like that. Dunk and Egg.

[wiploc]

When?  Where?  I'm not saying you're not citing something true, I just don't remember this and am interested in looking it up.

Tyrion recalls a memory whilst he was at Winterfell, in which he overheard Joffrey Baratheon jesting with The Hound to send a dog to kill a wolf. He guesses that Joffrey hired the catspaw among those that joined the king's party as they made their way North and that he had found the dagger amongst his father's weapons and had simply taken it. However, Tyrion is unable to figure out why Joffrey wanted Bran dead, and attributes it to his innate cruelty.[2]

Jaime later realises that Joffrey sent the assassin in an attempt to impress his father, after overhearing a drunken Robert Baratheon say it would be kinder to put the crippled Bran Stark out of his misery.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Cat...7D.7D.7D-1

Tyrion puzzles out how his nephew must have found Littlefinger’s Valyrian dagger amongst Robert’s possessions, assuming that the king had probably forgotten he even owned it. Joffrey must then have paid some unsavory freerider to open Bran’s throat, though Tyrion still cannot figure out why, attributing it to Joffrey's innate cruelty for the moment.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_S...Chapter_60

When Cersei mentions that Robert himself, at Winterfell, said it would be kinder to put the boy out of his misery while alone with her and their children, Jaime figures out that it was Joffrey, 'desperate for a pat on the head from that sot', who sent the assassin to kill Bran, even though Cersei does not believe him when he tells her his suspicions, just as Jaime does not believe her when Cersei insists again that Tyrion is responsible for Joffrey's death.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_S...Chapter_72

From the books perspective, Jaime and Cersei have no reason to be lying to each other over this.

They aren't lying.  They are setting up the reversal, the big reveal. 

There's a huge difference between GRRM thinking something and him having his characters think it.