Why Does God Need So Much Praise?

[SteveII]

[Rhondazvous]

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first, the 1 Cor verse has nothing to do with what you are talking about and your insistence not to use the context to find the meaning is confusing at the least. 

2 Samuel 24: You are basically correct in your facts. The sin was not the counting, it was the condition of David's heart (the leader of God's chosen people) and David knew it as soon as he did it. Was the glory properly Gods?

Again, you cry bad hermeneutics, but do not show how the context in 1 Corinthians invalidates my use of it to show that god deplores wisdom when it doesn’t glorify him.

I am glad you can see that the passage in 2 Samuel does show god’s violent response when he isn’t getting all the glory. But why was it a sin for David to count the number of fighting men at his disposal? And why would god punish David by killing thousands of people? Do you really want to defend this?

[robvalue]

David did some kill stealing by emotional proxy? Aww poor god

[SteveII]

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first, the 1 Cor verse has nothing to do with what you are talking about and your insistence not to use the context to find the meaning is confusing at the least. 

2 Samuel 24: You are basically correct in your facts. The sin was not the counting, it was the condition of David's heart (the leader of God's chosen people) and David knew it as soon as he did it. Was the glory properly Gods?

Again, you cry bad hermeneutics, but do not show how the context in 1 Corinthians invalidates my use of it to show that god deplores wisdom when it doesn’t glorify him.

I am glad you can see that the passage in 2 Samuel does show god’s violent response when he isn’t getting all the glory. But why was it a sin for David to count the number of fighting men at his disposal?  And why would god punish David by killing thousands of people? Do you really want to defend this?

You conflate "wisdom of the world" (better spelled out in verse 20) with true wisdom (knowing what is really true). The passage is talking about people with the mindset like those on this forum. They think they have the latest wisdom and they "are enlightened from our bronze age beliefs". If God/Jesus turn out to be real, "the wisdom or the world" would be destroyed. 

Regarding the OT story, you are back to the moral argument. You are apparently making the claim that humans have rights in relationship with God and God does not have good reasons for doing what he does. What is your support for those claims?

[Minimalist]

In the 24th chapter of 2 Samuel god got angry and killed 70,000 men because David held a census to see how many fighting men they had.

A classic example of bible bullshit.  Archaeological surveys indicate that "Jerusalem" ( or whatever it was called at the time ) was a miserable little village with a population in the hundreds rather than the thousands in Iron Age I and II.

If "David" ever saw 70,000 men he would have pissed his loin cloth!

[Huggy Bear]

[Minimalist]

[The Valkyrie]

God's head is the universe and can't keep expanding if the gullible don't continue to praise it.

[Rhondazvous]

You conflate "wisdom of the world" (better spelled out in verse 20) with true wisdom (knowing what is really true). The passage is talking about people with the mindset like those on this forum. They think they have the latest wisdom and they "are enlightened from our bronze age beliefs". If God/Jesus turn out to be real, "the wisdom or the world" would be destroyed. 

Regarding the OT story, you are back to the moral argument. You are apparently making the claim that humans have rights in relationship with God and God does not have good reasons for doing what he does. What is your support for those claims?

I don't confuse them. I simply don't accept a wisdom that would lead me to defend the indefensible just because some bronze age desert kooks said it came from god.

Since you want to defend the murder of thousands, I have said all that I intend to say about this to you. We will simply have to agree to disagree.

Good night.

[Huggy Bear]

Seems Steve wins that argument...