Parents not taking there crying child outside at a restaurant or store

[Sterben]

I think the mother was employing a strategy of "Until you calm down I'm going to be ignoring you."
Yep, I do agree kids are annoying as hell. But I don't think children should be banned or something from places because others can't appreciate a kid for.. Being a kid. As a parent it is however their responsibility to calm a child down and have a rational discussion about how the kid being a little shit can cause frustrations for others.
If you can't control your child, not even up to that extend I'd say you failed as a parent.

             That strategy does not make sense on any level. What would be the purpose of ignoring a child who is misbehaving? I see it all the time; a child is throwing temper tantrum cause they want the toy and are knocking items off the shelf. The parent's I've seen usually say "You can't do that, please stop it.". This tactic does not work at all, one time I saw a amazing parent. Her child was throwing a temper tantrum because he wanted both toys, he then was throwing items off the shelf. A co-worker of mine went to pick up the items, the parent budded in and said "There's no need for that, he made the mess and he will clean up." After further protest from the child, the mother threatened to throw away the toy he had brought with him. The child cried many tears, and then stated to clean up the mess he had made. That's what I call amazing parenting.

[Losty]

Gawds I feel so lucky because none of my kids have ever done that.

[Thumpalumpacus]

My son's mom and I dined out regularly through his infancy. Grandma watched him. We had no desire to inflict an infant on other diners.

Once my son was four or five, I took him out regularly in order to teach him proper manners in such a place. He was almost always pretty well-behaved, though once or twice I had to threaten leaving when he caught a mood.

In a grocery store, where leaving really wasn't an option, I'd give him The Look and that usually settled matters.

As for the poll, I voted "yes". A business manager should have every right to protect his business from loss arising from a crying child chasing paying customers away.

[Joods]

I'm not suggesting they leave their kid in the car. I just don't see why people feel so much need to take their baby to a restaurant, for the reasons I said. It's not like the baby can enjoy it when they can't eat properly and are unable to even process what is going on yet.

Not even saying they "can't" bring their kid to a restaurant either, I'm just saying I don't understand why you would.

So, what I'm hearing is that as long as parents have a kid under a certain age, they shouldn't be allowed to go out as a family to spend tine together and eat or shop because those who don't have kids feel so entitled that they should be allowed to eat and shop without having little brats around?

Get this: you (as in the general use of the word and not anyone specifically here posting) cannot possibly step into the shoes of a parent if you, yourself aren't one, so any compassion or empathy from you isn't likely to happen. What if the child has Autism and all is going well until the server brings the food and the order for the autistic child is wrong? I've been in that situation and unfortunately you can't just snap your fingers and expect a child like that to just accept the wrong food. It doesn't work that way and it isn't that simple. No amount of consoling will work. The night isn't just ruined for you, but to that child, in that moment, their entire world just crashed because their brains are wired completely different than ours. It takes a lot more than five minutes to calm a child like that down.

Yes, there are times when parents need to step up and do what they can to help their child out, but it isn't always as cut and dry as some here would like for it to be. Life just doesn't always work that way. Especially for a child who has special needs that you can't physically see. Instead of assuming the family should be kicked out, how about tactfully going over and offering to help. Maybe it is a single mother with more than one kid and she can't split herself in two to tend to the one having the meltdown. Maybe if store employees would be more proactive in offering help instead of standing around being all judgy, then when these things happen, the problem could get resolved quickly.

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Perhaps trying a different approach instead of bitching about a kid who may or may not have a mental problem would be better. I'm sure the parent would love the help instead of having people talk badly about their child.

[LadyForCamus]

I don't really understand why families take their babies out to eat in a restaurant anyway. It's not like babies can eat whatever is on the menu yet, and it's not like they're going to have fond memories of "that time my parents took me out as a baby" in years to come. There's no need for it in the first place. Like really, stay in your "taking the newborn for a stroll in the park" lane.

I don't envy anyone who works in retail long-term though. That one summer in 2013 was enough for me. I have SO many little things customers do that piss me off just from those 4 months.

As a first time parent with a 1.5 year old toddler, I'll give you my opinion/experience. My husband and I have been bringing our son out to eat with us (occasionally) ever since he was born! When he was a newborn it was easy because he slept all the time. As they get a bit older it becomes harder, of course.

We have stipulations though: We NEVER let him just cry or be disruptive. Ever. If we are out at a place and he's had enough, then it's time to go, regardless of where we are in our meal. This is for his benefit as well as everyone else's. We don't even try it in the first place if he's tired or is having a cranky day. We also don't bring him to super nice places, or bring him out anywhere when it's close to his bed time. Nice restaurants in the evenings are for when grandma can come and stay with the baby. It's a sacrifice we are happy to make as parents.

I can understand the desire to have an age limit at certain places. It's too bad, because I think if most parents were reasonable and used their critical thinking skills when it comes to taking their little one out to eat, it wouldn't be an issue.

[AFTT47]

I'm not suggesting they leave their kid in the car. I just don't see why people feel so much need to take their baby to a restaurant, for the reasons I said. It's not like the baby can enjoy it when they can't eat properly and are unable to even process what is going on yet.

Not even saying they "can't" bring their kid to a restaurant either, I'm just saying I don't understand why you would.

So, what I'm hearing is that as long as parents have a kid under a certain age, they shouldn't be allowed to go out as a family to spend tine together and eat or shop because those who don't have kids feel so entitled that they should be allowed to eat and shop without having little brats around?

Yup, that's what I would say. If you want to bring a screaming little monster into the world, fine. YOU deal with it. Don't force the creature on the rest of us.

It's much like religion. Have all of it you want but don't saddle me with it.

[LadyForCamus]

So, what I'm hearing is that as long as parents have a kid under a certain age, they shouldn't be allowed to go out as a family to spend tine together and eat or shop because those who don't have kids feel so entitled that they should be allowed to eat and shop without having little brats around?

Yup, that's what I would say. If you want to bring a screaming little monster into the world, fine. YOU deal with it. Don't force the creature on the rest of us.

It's much like religion. Have all of it you want but don't saddle me with it.

May you should stay home and eat then. Babies aren't going anywhere. [emoji39]

[Foxaèr]

I am at that age where I tune out certain things, and crying children is one of those things.

[Athene]

 I see it all the time; a child is throwing temper tantrum cause they want the toy and are knocking items off the shelf. The parent's I've seen usually say "You can't do that, please stop it."

"Please" is fine and dandy when children are being relatively reasonable. 
It's akin to begging when they're behaving like Wild Things; Pleading just gives them the impression that they can run the show if they scream and act like a lunatic in general.

Nothing's sadder than parents who let their kids be in charge; surefire way to ruin them. 
I have a family member whose children behaved terribly almost all of the time. She and her husband constantly asked for their input on everything: What time are you going to bed? What will we have for dinner? Are you going to do your homework? Can Mommy have a few minutes on the phone, please? It's cold outside...Please wear a jacket.  Is it Mommy and Daddy's turn to watch TV now? Will you help Mommy pick up your toys? Please?

She HAD to lay down with the youngest (when HE was ready at around midnight, of course) and wait for him to fall asleep, before she was allowed to get up and go to sleep in her own bed. 
It was f*cking insanity.
 
Kids telling YOU when to go to bed...I do declare! 

[Alex K]

Went to a not-too-fine pizza place in a group with our 9.5 month old two days ago. They had special chairs for infants. She got to watch all the people, which is something she loved, and got some snacks while we ate our stuff. After 2 hours, she had enough and got a bit whiney and tired (entirely expectedly), so we cleaned up the bit of the mess she made and up and left. Tomorrow we and the fam will celebrate grandma's 94th in a somewhat finer place. It will go the same way. If she really should start to cry uncontrollably despite having slept, drunk and eaten, nor too warm nor too cold and no full diaper, we'll go for a walk, and if that doesn't help we know something is wrong and leave.

There's no substitute for some good judgment and treating the people around you with respect.
This country is on the way of going extinct due to low birth rates, and still we have old fucks calling the police and their lawyer because they live near a kindergarten and have nothing better to do but get enranged by some laughing kids. The last thing we need is making young parents feel less welcome and comfortable, or we can just call it a day and close down this place. Restaurant owners asking someone to take measures or leave (temporarily) if a child cries uncontrollably for a while sounds not unreasonable.

@Losty

Since I often take care of the kid while wife is working, she also got the "you are leaving her *alone*?" which is very insulting.