Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.

[purplepurpose]

Drich, you wish eternally serve God even if its a bitter eternity?

I expect the answer is yes. But that doesn't mean that other people feel inspired to become Gods servants.

[TubbyTubby]

Drich, methinks it would be most befitting if thou were to scribe in 17th century olde English now in our humble forum. It would strike almighty fear in the hearts of ye peasants and unclean souls who are amongst us.

Thou knoweth the Lord will favour thee verily.

It would also place thy bullshit in a better context for us all.

[Angrboda]

You're beginning to sound like a used car salesman, Drich.

Your interpretation of Genesis 2 is enough to land you firmly in crackpot territory.

Why? Is it because I am simply reading what is on page and stopping with what is on page. Not filtering it first through the traditional church view?

You're stopping at what's on the page is one problem. There's ANE literary traditions which you fail to take into account, for one. Reading the passages in Genesis 2 it becomes clear how each segment of Genesis 2 is connected with some variant of the Hebrew word for 'and'. This concatenation of events is not an indicator that they all happened contemporaneously, but that they form a series of events, starting I guess you can say on day 3, but not limited to day 3. You're no bible scholar, Drich. Others have looked at the Hebrew for millennia and come away with different answers. I trust them a whole lot more than your reading of English "Easy To Read" versions of the bible.

Then there's the problem of Genesis 1:26 which indicates that God made Adam (Hebrew for man) on day 6. How do you reconcile that with Adam being supposedly created on day 3 in Genesis 2?

Sure, and when the promise is shown to be empty, you'll be there to blame the disappointed.  You're a true Christian.

I honestly do not know one person who A/S/K the God of the bible (not some Idol they themselves spun up) and was disappointed. So there's that.

Clever girl, the way you phrase that. How many do you personally know who came to God through A/S/K? Perhaps the ones who didn't simply didn't share it with you.

[Angrboda]

Again, silence or rather the collapse of your faith (because you were over taken by a trail in your life and never heard from God) is par for the course that Christ Himself lays out in the parable of the wise and foolish builders.

Oh for Christ's sake, Drich, that's not what the parable says. That's your extended interpretation of its meaning. I asked you before for biblical support that your interpretation was the meaning that Jesus had in giving the parable. You just droned on about some statements in Paul, but Paul wasn't written until after Jesus spoke these words, and, most important, Jesus' words were not scripture until after Paul had written the bit about God breathed. So no, Paul isn't evidence that what you mean is what Jesus meant in giving the parable.

[Drich]

Drich, you wish eternally serve God even if its a bitter eternity?

I expect the answer is yes. But that doesn't mean that other people feel inspired to become Gods servants.

'Bitterness' is in the mind of the beholder.  To be bitter one must assume that their want/will should supersede that which they have been subjected to.

Because I want to want God's will, I don't know how I could become bitter or serve in bitterness.

[Drich]

Drich, methinks it would be most befitting if thou were to scribe in 17th century olde English  now in our humble forum. It would strike almighty fear in the hearts of ye peasants and unclean souls who are amongst us.

Thou knoweth the Lord will favour thee verily.

It would also place thy bullshit in a better context for us all.

I think it would...

Help you if you could quickly identify me with a familiar lable and dismiss what I have to say without thinking or much thought.

But, alas God has seen fit to beseech thee to endurith me in the time thou currently livith.

[purplepurpose]

Drich, you wish eternally serve God even if its a bitter eternity?

I expect the answer is yes. But that doesn't mean that other people feel inspired to become Gods servants.

'Bitterness' is in the mind of the beholder.  To be bitter one must assume that their want/will should supersede that which they have been subjected to.

Because I want to want God's will, I don't know how I could become bitter or serve in bitterness.

Your a female?

[Drich]

You're beginning to sound like a used car salesman, Drich.

Funny that you mention that.. One of my business has me own a independent car dealership. (We do sell used cars but most of what we sell are new.)
That said sincerity is the quality i believe you think is thinning. I can assure you that I believe and stake my own eternal existence on what I have shared. I'm all in here penny and pound.

Why? Is it because I am simply reading what is on page and stopping with what is on page. Not filtering it first through the traditional church view?

You're stopping at what's on the page is one problem.  There's ANE literary traditions which you fail to take into account, for one.  Reading the passages in Genesis 2 it becomes clear how each segment of Genesis 2 is connected with some variant of the Hebrew word for 'and'.  This concatenation of events is not an indicator that they all happened contemporaneously, but that they form a series of events, starting I guess you can say on day 3, but not limited to day 3.  You're no bible scholar, Drich.  Others have looked at the Hebrew for millennia and come away with different answers.  I trust them a whole lot more than your reading of English "Easy To Read" versions of the bible.

The Hebrew word is actually 'adam Which can refer to the first man or Man as a race.
26 Then God said, “Now let’s make humans[f] who will be like us.[g] They will rule over all the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. They will rule over all the large animals and all the little things that crawl on the earth.”

27 So God created humans in his own image. He created them to be like himself.[h] He created them male and female. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Have many children. Fill the earth and take control of it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. Rule over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
So in essence God created 'humanity' which was different from what God did in the garden.

Then there's the problem of Genesis 1:26 which indicates that God made Adam (Hebrew for man) on day 6. How do you reconcile that with Adam being supposedly created on day 3 in Genesis 2?

So how do I explain what Genesis 1:26 forward says with a day three account of the creating Adam The first man on Day 3 according to Genesis 2?

Man made inside the Garden and given a "living soul" verses 'monkey man' that is created in the natural 'evolved' world outside of the garden.

We've had this discussion before, no?

If God only made one pair of people. Who did Adam's children marry? Where did the city of Nod come from? Who populated it? why does Genesis 2 make for a day two creation and Genesis one say it is on day 6?

You may have trust in your 'scholars' but their interpretation can not answer these simple questions without going off page for an answer. (incest, or God created more men but not the day 3 or the day 6 creations, or the lame duck secular explanation that Genesis one and Genesis 2 are two separate account compiled at a later time and really don't have much to do with one another, and for thousands of years scribes and Priests just did not know any better, even Jesus!) When the answer is soo simple and standing right in front of everyone.

a Man and a woman was created in the garden on day 3 and charged by God with a special purpose. and the rest 'Humanity' was created outside the garden on day 6 to go about their business.

And what's more the only thing needed for this interpretation to work is to simply look at what is on page without the corrective lenses of 'tradition' to change it's meaning for you.

All the evidence is here and it is literally spelled out, all you have to do is read the passage as a "child" would. with fresh untainted untrained eyes. Exactly how Jesus said we had to approach God.

Like it or not, Everything I claim is indeed supported on page with out a secret hand shake or a special school to tell you how to think.

And if all you can do to refute what I have said is point to how other people are 'smarter' and they do not read the passage as I do. To which I would refer you to Luke 10:
21 Then the Holy Spirit made Jesus feel very happy. Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth. I am thankful that you have hidden these things from those who are so wise and so smart. But you have shown them to people who are like little children. Yes, Father, you did this because it’s what you really wanted to do.

Christ was speaking to about his disciples he sent out to do many miraculous works, most of which were uneducated and looked down upon by the educated/religious elite. His praise specifically lifted up those who may not have had the training, but God used and directed anyway instead of those who thought themselves 'worthy.'

I have made no bones about my lack of understanding and education. That however makes no difference in my usefulness to God. Before I came here I spent 5 years debating and studying under men like you have describes and over time I found that they (like you) rely on a 'traditional understanding, and their educations in that tradition to validate what they believe. To them, and to you I ask, if your prize of knowledge is based on tradition, then what separates you from the Pharisees and Sadducee that Christ had such contempt for??

I honestly do not know one person who A/S/K the God of the bible (not some Idol they themselves spun up) and was disappointed. So there's that.

Clever girl, the way you phrase that.  How many do you personally know who came to God through A/S/K?  Perhaps the ones who didn't simply didn't share it with you.

I honestly don't know. i have taught this message for a long time. at camps, single's retreats, and on line to hundreds if not thousands of people. This is not an over night thing. it's not a let's get saved by the end of the weekend thing. It's a how to spend you life to find God thing.

Now I've seeded this message and help people along in different stages a lot. and I've seen the finished result, but it was not due to just my efforts. So again I can't honestly answer that with a number.

That said I have personally watch several people start and walk/walking their way though the whole process. Sometimes it's difficult as God does often times have to lead them to a place where there is no hope, in order to walk them Back in a way they can seen Him. In the end it is a good thing, but durning one can indeed feel helpless while they struggle.

[Drich]

Again, silence or rather the collapse of your faith (because you were over taken by a trail in your life and never heard from God) is par for the course that Christ Himself lays out in the parable of the wise and foolish builders.

Oh for Christ's sake, Drich, that's not what the parable says.  That's your extended interpretation of its meaning.  I asked you before for biblical support that your interpretation was the meaning that Jesus had in giving the parable.  You just droned on about some statements in Paul, but Paul wasn't written until after Jesus spoke these words, and, most important, Jesus' words were not scripture until after Paul had written the bit about God breathed.  So no, Paul isn't evidence that what you mean is what Jesus meant in giving the parable.

Actually I droned on my stating how else can we know God IF Not by what Christ taught about Him. Then tied in What Paul said that strengthens What I said about the parable Christ taught.

Your take on this whole mess is based on the idea that this parable was ONLY used to tied the whole Sermon on the mount (3 chapters in the book of Mt) together. I showed you that Christ also used this parable in the book of Luke to also tie up All of Christ's teachings, not just what was found on the sermon on the mount. Which include the profiles I am using to identify the God of the bible in contrast with the god you people make up for yourselves.

[Drich]

'Bitterness' is in the mind of the beholder.  To be bitter one must assume that their want/will should supersede that which they have been subjected to.

Because I want to want God's will, I don't know how I could become bitter or serve in bitterness.

Your a female?

If your saying females do not know bitterness, then you must be transgendered.

And no.