Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.

[GUBU]

*Inhales deeply
Ah... Generic non specific memes... The sweet smell of intellectual defeat.

The only think better is a 20 min ad hom youtube rant.. Got one of those up your sleeve too?

The only "think" better?  Nice job making a typo while putting someone else down for making 
a typo, dripshit.  Lol

And notice how Dripshit considers himself intellectually superior to somebody else. Considering that I've seen dead goldfish display more intelligent characteristics than he does, that's some fair conceit.

[drfuzzy]

I read that post and this one, Dripshit.  It's all the usual bullshit.  God doesn't exist, Jesus doesn't exist, heaven and hell don't exist, salvation doesn't exist, the wholly babble is a hideous badly-written collection of evil and fairy tales, and until someone can PROVE that any of that crap does exist I don't need to waste any more time on it.

ah... So the light flickers and FINALLY goes on.

So then, if God does not exist, then why oh, why spend so much time arguing the finer points of salvation, just to loose and default to a generic if all else fails 'god does not exist' argument?

The point of this teeth kicking and victory lap is to have you ask a question rather than try and 'correct' a point you do not fully comprehend.

Take all of the "teeth kicking" and "victory laps" your fragile ego needs, Dripshit.  None of us could care less.
I don't argue the finer points of "salvation", which is a fantasy made up by priests to control sheeple.  When a person has been lied to for decades, it is therapeutic to deconstruct those lies for one's own mental health.  
IF I ever needed to ask questions about these things that don't exist, (I can't ever imagine that happening for any reason) I know a lot of priests and preachers.  I would never ask an internet troll with the logic skills and writing style of a 10-year-old.

Your assertions have exactly the same amount of credibility as a young Batman-obsessed boy who goes to school claiming that he got his own batphone, and gets to talk to Batman every day. -- Except that his choice of literature is better.  The comics are a lot more believable than the Bible.  The only logical response to the claim is "prove it".  And you can't.

[Athene]

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We're talking about two different things here. 

The words 'salvation' and 'saved' aren't always interchangeable, Drich. Salvation also has it's own stand-alone definition that makes more sense within a Biblical context as the way, means, path or process in which to be saved; Not the actual act of being saved itself.

"Salvation" occurs as a result of accepting the atonement of Christ.

By accepting Christ's atonement, one is (generally) regarded as worthy of being in God's presence, and thus "saved" from permanent separation from Him in the end.

Unless there's some reason to believe that your God would just start evicting individuals out of heaven, once they've already been accepted into his kingdom after final judgement, then sure; Once saved, always saved makes sense. But, if one no longer possesses the faith or belief required to accept atonement, then the way in is clearly gone; Salvation go bye-bye.

Anyhow, this specific line of discussion seems to involve little more than quibbling over semantics, in my opinion.

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Your right to a degree, Salvation is indeed a process through which we are saved, but it has nothing to do with us nor our works good or bad. Salvation was a work of Christ, and it is upto Christ alone to determine whether or not we are saved. That officially does not happen till our judgement.

If you look at the bible we can only accept the salvation offered, no where in scripture does it say we are saved at that moment. Now I'm not saying certain sects do not teach this, I know they do and i came out of one of them. But never the less it is not a biblical principle.

How is it that you're still unable to recognize that I'm in agreement with you on your overall point? I understand that no one is saved, until they're actually saved from Hell, in 
accordance to Christianity, Drich; From a Biblical aspect, I agree. You are correct.

I bolded your text above to once again reiterate a very simple point: If salvation can be accepted, then it can also be declined or rejected; That is all.  
Would you like to know why, yet again? Because salvation simply does not mean the same thing as saved in this context. 
Demanding that they have precisely the same meaning, will not make it so. Please stop it.

You've essentially constructed this non-argument (with me, at least) based on the misunderstanding/misuse of a single word. 

Side note:

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Btw, while I've got you here...You know time it is? I think it might be "What if?" time! 

If you decide to re-introduce it, I for one, will "act right" this time, I swear .
Can't speak for the rest of the heathens, though.    

Think about it!

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[quip]

Likewise, love is transient.   You suffer with an understanding of the inevitability of lost love..through the knowledge of death or potential abandonment of such love.  Love is a great emotion....just don't cling irrationally to it.

An emotion NOT based on circumstance. (Which is my point that counters your statement)

Therefore is it not possible for another emotion to NOT be based on circumstance?

They're all based on circumstance. How someone appears (love them or hate them) into your life is a circumstance.

[Dust_bunny]

Because magic doesn't actually work

[IATIA]

Sure it does. Now you see it, now you don't. See, magic.

[robvalue]

I don't even know what magic actually is. Obviously informally, I do. But if we were to try and define magic, I fear it would be a similar appeal to the argument from ignorance/incredulity as with the supernatural.

[Edwardo Piet]

I think that's why it's magic lol

[madog]

I don't even know what magic actually is.  

I do   its making something appear supernatural by tricking the observer .... Mmmm pretty much describes religion then ....

[robvalue]

Oh yeah

It's also tricking someone into thinking something there is agency behind something when there is no reason to think that there is. Or screwing around with flawed probability statements.