NC Gov on the wrong side of history......

[Wyrd of Gawd]

As long as people blabber about the rest room issue they are not talking about the economic issue, which was hidden in the bill that prevents localities from raising the minimum wage. It was a very clever way to distract the dummies from the real issue, which is economic and not social.

[Cecelia]

What's to stop a Child Molester from asking a woman to abduct a child for him? I mean geez, all a child molester has to do is get a woman to help him and she'll abduct the girls for him. So clearly we shouldn't let women in the women's restroom either. And of course males can kidnap male children. Maybe it'd be best if we don't let children go out in public. I mean what's to stop a child molester from abducting a child while he's more than 10 feet away from his or her parents? Can't send them to school either, because abductors could get them on the way to their bus.

[Mr.wizard]

Non discrimination laws for public facilities have been in place all over the world, so anyone wanting to make the case the that rapists will sneak in to restrooms by lying about their gender identity should be able to produce the statistics to support that argument. Good luck!

[A Theist]

As long as people blabber about the rest room issue they are not talking about the economic issue, which was hidden in the bill that prevents localities from raising the minimum wage. It was a very clever way to distract the dummies from the real issue, which is economic and not social.

Damn dude. Start a thread!

[A Theist]

Non discrimination laws for public facilities have been in place all over the world, so anyone wanting to make the case the that rapists will sneak in to restrooms by lying about their gender identity should be able to produce the statistics to support that argument. Good luck!

Are you saying it can't and won't happen? Statistics are more than likely coming if this BS from the White House and the justice department continues. How about producing safe guards.

[Cecelia]

Are you saying it can't and won't happen? Statistics are more than likely coming if this BS from the White House and the justice department continues. How about producing safe guards.

Other states have laws allowing transgender people to use the facilities they identify with.  They've not seen any rise in molestation as a result.

You're using fear to try to discriminate, much like people did against black people back when they segregated restrooms by race.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Theist, it's a bad version of the "slippery slope" argument, in this case taking something which has never been an issue and turning it into one.

What part of "they can still walk in there just as they did before" do you not get? These laws don't even come close to offering the level of protection you pretend they do, yet they set the state authorities up as being anti-transgender.

If trangendered people did not exist, ever... it if was never a thing... then perverts could still disguise themselves as women and do what you're suggesting, and no amount of "bathroom law" would stop that. When you want to make a law that suppresses a given part of the population from engaging in private activities (such as going to the bathroom), then you have to have a pretty damned good justification for it. The weak excuse of "oh well it will make things easier for the perverts" is not an argument, unless you also want to ban the internet because perverts use it.

But transgendered people DO exist, have been using these restrooms for years, and the scientific consensus is overwhelming on these points (see Mathilda's post, a couple pages back). It is not just "how they feel" or a lifestyle choice. They are very real people who already have enough troubles without bigots using the "what about the kiiiiiiids!?!" bullshit to further marginalize and stigmatize them.

Finally, you are out of your MIND for saying that the Obama administration is the one pushing this agenda. These "states' rights advocates" are the ones picking this fight, and the Justice Department is doing its best to stand up for the marginalized and the outcast who deserve not to have their rights abridged by sheer bigotry and fearmongering.

It should be the Christians who are standing up for the weak, not the ones who are oppressing them. But, that doesn't seem to be the way of things, does it?

[Mr.wizard]

Non discrimination laws for public facilities have been in place all over the world, so anyone wanting to make the case the that rapists will sneak in to restrooms by lying about their gender identity should be able to produce the statistics to support that argument. Good luck!

Are you saying it can't and won't happen? Statistics are more than likely coming if this BS from the White House and the justice department continues. How about producing safe guards.

 Now that North Carolina has put this debate on the map the statistics of sex crimes in public restrooms with predators citing gender identity are pretty easy to find and they are virtually zero. You are suggesting we now need safeguards against a problem that does not exist and we need to oppress the rights of a group in order to stop this invisible problem.

Also like everyone else is pointing out, this law does not keep predators out of the restroom, do you really think a rapist is who wanted to rape someone in a public restroom is concerned about the law, or what's to stop a guy from dressing like a woman and entering a woman's restroom, will there be someone there lifting skirts and checking genitalia?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

OK so let's stick with scientific evidence.

• There are differences between male and female brains.
  
• It is not an either / or situation. Some people have more female characteristics, some more male.  
  
• Brain scans of transsexuals show that they do have the brains of the gender that they identify with
  
• There are no differences between brains of different races, say black and white.
  
• Gender identity is not the same as biological sex. When children have been raised from birth being told that they are a different biological sex, say because they had an operation on malformed genitalia, they have retained their birth gender instead.
  
• Is it is not a lifestyle choice. The only cure for transsexuality is to allow the patient to transition. Nothing else works.
  
• No one would choose to be transgendered.
  

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• There is no problem in any other country that allows transgendered people to use the bathrooms for the gender that they identify as
  
• There was never a problem in the US before
  
• There is no problem now. This is a solution looking for a problem that does not exist.
  
• A 'sex change' is not an instantaneous thing. Transsexuals need to live at least a year before they are allowed sex reassignment surgery. Where are they supposed to use the toilets during that time? It is often many years before they can obtain the surgery due to cost.
  
• These laws create many problems that never existed before and solve none.
  
• Trans people are already at real risk due to violence, sexual and physical abuse and suicide. These bathroom laws increase those risks massively.
  
• Your fake caring about the welfare of transgendered people is fooling no one.
  

Mathilda, first I wanted to Reply to this for a "Quoted For Truth" restatement.

I also wanted to inform you that I lightly modified and then plagiarized your statments in a YouTube argument. I did not attribute them, and I apologize. I just thought you said it as well as I possibly could, and I felt it would take away from the force of the words if I said they were not my own, in that format. (Besides, I didn't want those assholes backtracking the citation to AF and burying us in their bullshit, here.) If you are not okay with it, please tell me ASAP, and I will remove my comment there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aOl7ehrC6A

That's the link. (I posted it as a url instead of a video link, because that jerk doesn't deserve any additional airtime, but it came up as a video anyway.) My comment is a reply under Shelton Avera's initial comment.

Edit to Add: Oh, my name on there is Robert Richardson, and my picture matches my avatar here, so it should be easy to find. That, and the list, of course.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Oh, and if you haven't seen the basis of Blue's response to Trae Crowder "Liberal Redneck" comments video, it totally deserves a view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov-ocQpQtrw