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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 22, 2016 at 11:02 pm
(May 22, 2016 at 9:12 am)Mermaid Wrote: Women require more calcium and iron than men.
They require more iron (during mensuration), but not calcium (well aside from the 51-70 age group).
(May 22, 2016 at 9:57 am)Heatheness Wrote: Here are the facts:
Vegans can be healthy, but most are not because it takes an extreme amount of dedication to make it a success.
Omnivores can be healthy but most are not because it takes an extreme amount of dedication to make it a success.
Incorrect, it does not take an 'extreme amount of effort'. Obsessing about diet is unhealthy. If people followed the advice to eat: 5-6 serves of vegetables/legumes, 2 serves of fruits, 5-6 serves of grains, 2-3 serves of lean meats/fish/eggs, and 2-3 serves of dairy per day, then they would not need to put in any additional effort.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 22, 2016 at 11:14 pm
(May 22, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Aractus Wrote: (May 22, 2016 at 9:12 am)Mermaid Wrote: Women require more calcium and iron than men.
They require more iron (during mensuration), but not calcium (well aside from the 51-70 age group).
(May 22, 2016 at 9:57 am)Heatheness Wrote: Here are the facts:
Vegans can be healthy, but most are not because it takes an extreme amount of dedication to make it a success.
Omnivores can be healthy but most are not because it takes an extreme amount of dedication to make it a success.
Incorrect, it does not take an 'extreme amount of effort'. Obsessing about diet is unhealthy. If people followed the advice to eat: 5-6 serves of vegetables/legumes, 2 serves of fruits, 5-6 serves of grains, 2-3 serves of lean meats/fish/eggs, and 2-3 serves of dairy per day, then they would not need to put in any additional effort.
Incorrect, I stated it took dedication, not effort. Have you seen how most people eat, including me. No, most do NOT have that dedication.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 12:41 am
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 5:26 am
(May 22, 2016 at 11:14 pm)Heatheness Wrote: Incorrect, I stated it took dedication, not effort. Have you seen how most people eat, including me. No, most do NOT have that dedication.
No, you said 'extreme amount of dedication'. Look at the inadequate calcium intake rates I posted, do you think it takes very much effort for teenagers to consume an adequate amount of calcium? Does it even take any dedication on their part? No. It simply takes a small portion of parental guidance that is currently lacking. It's a negative feedback loop. If the parents haven't perceived the need for calcium themselves (and osteoporosis is a silent illness that does not show any symptoms until you have it, it's irreversible and can't be cured); then that attitude is modelled to their children as well.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 1:26 pm
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 1:58 pm
I think veganism is just too difficult for me, personally.
However, about the preaching, I actually find meat eaters to be the aggressive ones when it comes to this topic. Even mention you are vegan or vegetarian (Like, not in a preachy way, but say, Oh, sorry, I don't eat meat), and prepare to be lectured for 7 pages on a forum, or 30 min IRL, about why YOU are making unhealthy or "trendy" lifestyle choices. Just look at this thread and who is being preachy and pushy?
Look at poor Rob in this thread, he just mentioned it and was bombarded til he left the thread.  I usually don't talk about it now, people immediately get super defensive about eating meat (see this thread!). I only posted here because I felt bad for Rob.
At any rate, it is a personal choice. Stop being so hard on the vegans and vegetarians who aren't in your face. Thanks and have a nice day!
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 2:52 pm
If you want to stay true to vegan/vegie lifestyle you need to also look at the source of any supplements that you are taking.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 3:03 pm
(May 23, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Aroura Wrote: ... I actually find meat eaters to be the aggressive ones when it comes to this topic ...
That would make sense. In the animal kingdom, carnivores need to be aggressive and herbivores (prey) tend to be passive.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 23, 2016 at 3:09 pm
(May 23, 2016 at 3:03 pm)IATIA Wrote: (May 23, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Aroura Wrote: ... I actually find meat eaters to be the aggressive ones when it comes to this topic ...
That would make sense. In the animal kingdom, carnivores need to be aggressive and herbivores (prey) tend to be passive.
I can't tell if you're joking or not but it definitely wouldn't make sense in that way.
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