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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 3:32 am
Well done, Aractus. I will watch the whole video tomorrow, when I am sober.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:20 am
(May 21, 2016 at 1:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote: (May 21, 2016 at 1:19 am)Maelstrom Wrote: The thing is that veganism done right leads to a perfectly healthy lifestyle.
And that's fine. Nobody is stopping anyone from becoming a vegan. Vegans, on the other hand, preach and try to force their lifestyle on everyone else.
I'll take a nice juicy steak over a plate of plants any day.
I'm a vegan, do I do that?
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:21 am
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Hey rocket, good to see you getting stuck into wheat, barley, hops, etc
A good non meat diet! Hehe
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:24 am
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Yes, I've looked into it, and it's perfectly possible to be healthy on a vegan diet if it's done right. I believe it's the way forward for the future.
Considering how ill I am in other ways, I'm actually in pretty good nick. I used to be fighting fit before the ME took me down, and I'm still physically okay.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:41 am
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I'll fully admit there are some vegans who go around preaching and being general assholes about it. I find them embarresing and I think they do more harm to the cause than good. They give veganism a bad name, and just like vocal asshole theists, they stand out in people's memories.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:45 am
(May 21, 2016 at 12:45 am)NeotericNinja Wrote: Curious what others have concluded after looking into the science-based evidence backing the vegan movement? It's really difficult to argue against the evidence showing in nutrition science studies. Then we have the environmental implications which I am sure we have all been made aware of the negative consequences of mass animal agriculture. Economically, when you combine the medical and environmental consequences, it's just completely illogical to continue consuming not only fossil fuels but animals as we have been. What are your thoughts on why so many people choose to turn away from the evidence supporting plant-based diets? Have you looked at the evidence yourself? If we wish to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible then surely we are required to avoid ignorance especially concerning matters that have massive negative consequences if we neglect to examine the claim and its evidence. I would really love to hear what others thoughts are on this! 
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 4:55 am
(May 21, 2016 at 4:24 am)robvalue Wrote: Yes, I've looked into it, and it's perfectly possible to be healthy on a vegan diet if it's done right. I believe it's the way forward for the future.
Considering how ill I am in other ways, I'm actually in pretty good nick. I used to be fighting fit before the ME took me down, and I'm still physically okay.
If you think it's the way forward for the future, then go right ahead and become a vegan if you aren't already. Not meaning to sound rude or anything like that, but nobody is going to stop me eating meat.
It may be healthy if done right but eating meat hasn't done me any harm.
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 5:20 am
(May 21, 2016 at 4:20 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm a vegan, do I do that?
Preaching or not, what you follow is likely not evidence-based, which was the point of my post. Yes you will find limited supporting evidence, but the body of evidence is what is followed in matters of public health not single examples or outliers.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 5:45 am
Make plants as tasty as meat and I'll consider being vegetarian!
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RE: What science says about plant-based diets (Vegan)
May 21, 2016 at 5:56 am
Even though I do love meat,I'm not necessarily addicted to it. As in, if tomorrow they banned all types of meat, I would carry on my day with veggies and not give a fuck.
I think the reason so many people are against vegetarianism is because they haven't really had any good vegetarian food. Y'all ought to come to my place, go to Google images and search for "sadhya kerala". That shit right there, is the BOMB,sadhya is finished with 3 types of "payasam"(Google images for it) and there are many more, but I'm afraid I don't know the English words for it, you could just google for what constitutes a sadhya if you are interested, get some recipes and try it, if you do try it, I'll have to warn you, there is no going back to meat,it's too hard.
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