Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[Drich]

That's... Ironic.

You assume you get a say in defining who and what God should be. You have created a God who can not send anyone to Hell, you've tested this God found Him not to exist, and become an 'atheist.' Yet you hold on to the idea that you get to define who and what God is supposed to be.

I don't know, but what if...

God is nothing you can imagine on your own... What if you and you friends are wrong and God is a little more complex that what man can make up, and does indeed allow people to goto Hell if they so choose. IDK again, but what if your idea of God and who and what God is supposed to be from the very beginning is what is corrupt?

Meaning it seems you've created a god that you could control by lording over him the defination of 'omni-benevolent/all loving' and try and threaten him with your abandonment of your faith and through your attempt to strip him of the title God, just because you can't wrap your mind around the concept of Hell..

What if.. God is a little bigger than the god or your specific idea of what a 'god' should be?

Is he as God subject to your standards, your rules?

If God is as he is described in your bible, then he's a pathetic little fuck who should have his Casper ass fucked by a rusty rake.  He's a vengeful pathetic piece of shit undeserving of worship or love.  If this is god, then he's not God worth worshiping.  Being absent from him would be a reward not a punishment.  

Of course you never take a moment to consider that your bible is just full of shit, and you're the one that's wrong and that God doesn't just happen to fit and agree with all the beliefs you happen to have.

So, the bible is full of crap, but your version of God that you yourself made up and can manipulate and control isn't?

Your half right in that one of us has not considered their idea of God is false. Just wrong on who that is. I have spent the last 20+ years testing the bible daily and can find no fault. what have you done?

Not like God because He has the Chutzpah to tell you no, and if you don't repent you will go to Hell?

Sorry sport but that's not testing God or the bible. That is simple minded rebellion.

[IATIA]

So you think that everything in this universe can be currently be studied, observed, and interacted with. That everything knowable can currently be identified by our current scientific understandings???

What foolishness. If this is the case then you have just raised the wall/limits of your understanding to all that is currently known. that nothing outside of your little method of understanding can ever be expored if it does not fit your specific defination.

Does your methods of acknowledgement allow for any other than you small mind world view?/are you allowed to explore the universe around you even if it excees your current comfortable methods of exploration?

If it exists, it can be known and therefore it can be observed and tested.

[Divinity]

I don't think if some sort of God exists, that we can know anything about them. So get the fuck out of here with that shit you dumbfuck. I didn't create some idea of god. You just seem to be following the one that conveniently says no to the things you think people should said no to. One that you just HAPPENED to probably be born into. What a fucking coincidence. Out of the thousands of religions in the universe, you just happened to be born into the right one, while billions upon billions of others haven't been.

Your god if he existed would be a piece of shit. That much is certain from reading the bible. Hell would be preferable to spending an eternity with that asshole. But I see no reason to believe your stupid little book. It's no better than the Quran or fucking Dianetics. The idea that man was inspired by God to write any book is fucking stupid. Why the fuck would a God need man to spread his word? Here's a hint: He fucking wouldn't.

[Neo-Scholastic]

If it exists, it can be known and therefore it can be observed and tested.

Bullshit! You intentionally exclude the evidence you don't like and justify that with your own arbitrary testing criteria.

[SteveII]

Continual invention implies adding new things. I do not think that is the case. 

Couple of reasons some doctrines might have changed over the past 2000 years:

• Advances in philosophy in general and philosophy of religion specifically.
  
• Advances in natural theology and its importance.
  
• Advances in our understanding of the universe and our place in it. 
  
• Decentralization of theological thought. Now we have many more sects and denominations that bring out variations in thought and prompt reexamination of ideas.
  

There are some doctrines that cannot be changed lest Christianity ceases to be Christianity (for example the doctrine of Salvation). The one under scrutiny in this thread probably hasn't changed much other than to fill in what it means and/or to articulate it in more sophisticated language.

These all sound like advancements from man, not of religion or new input from god. So as man advances, the belief(s) is skewed more and more, therefore the "many more sects and denominations" schisms.

From my outside position the "many beliefs" seems to create more problems for man than it solves. Have not wars, exterminations and genocide occurred because of schism (diversity and diversion) in the one god belief? If not out and out killing then a creation of a system of classes where one is held up as the most correct and that class inflicts pain and degradation on the lower classes due to their diversity in belief?

Can you explain why an all powerful creator would remain silent and allow this to occur? Why has there been nothing in the 2000 years addressing this? (your parameter, I don't think there was ever anything, apparently the thought is that there was something before) Is this some strange god test to see who gets it right? Or maybe the one that out last the rest is the correct one? (don't forget there is still killing in gods name all across the earth to this day) Or could it be that this is just a man made fantasy? A fantasy used for manipulation?

They are advancements of man's understanding and thought. It is reasonable to see why doctrines would be more fully developed as centuries of thinkers debated the nuances of what the scriptures reveal about God, Jesus, Christian living, etc. 

It is important to remember that people kill/mistreat people. I was referring to the differences within Christianity. You might have included the differences between religions. Each religion should be judged on its own teachings/foundations. 

You ask why God would remain silent. Christians believe that God revealed everything we need to know as described in the NT. Jesus' teachings of "love your neighbor as yourself" "turn the other cheek" "love those that hate you", etc. (and I do mean a lot of etc.) illustrate that any violence or wars in the name of Christianity were flat out wrong. With regards to Christianity, always look for other reasons (rather than revealed theological thought) why people do bad things--they are always there.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

God is supposed to be Omnipresent, and Hell is supposed to be a seperation from God.

This makes no sense, they cant co-exist, its one, or neither.
Christians cant sacrifice God's supposed Omnipresense or hell in order to have a somewhat consistent belief.

Now, you see, here's your problem: You're getting your ideas about Hell from C.S. Lewis, who is a deeply respected Christian apologist for reasons completely beyond my understanding. This namby-pamby dumb-ass overrated phony Christian just thinks he can toss out the Lord's Holy Word and instead get his knowledge of Hell from someplace pulled out of his ass. Plenty of other dumbass phony Christians read his crap and think somehow he knows the real truth about things he couldn't possibly know and, as far as I can tell, he's just making it up. 

Now the author of Revelation, who came from an island coincidentally known for its psychedelic mushrooms, who's revelation reads like a bad acid trip but we are assured it is indeed holy revelation, now HE knew what hell was really about. And then there's the descriptions that come from our Loving Lord, who describes Hell as a torture chamber. Now it's not my place as a True Christian ™ to question how our Lord gets His kicks but my guess is not getting laid in 2000 years might be driving some of His issues. 

And where do you get that He's omnipresent? He walks through the Garden of Eden playing hide and seek with Adam and Eve. He wrestles with Jacob. He gave a speech to the nation of Israel. He had lunch with Abraham. He walks, talks and even showed off his impressive manhood to Ezekiel (our Lord is hot and hung). Scripture says our Lord has a body and a really impressive penis. 

Glory!

[Neo-Scholastic]

Out of the thousands of religions in the universe, you just happened to be born into the right one, while billions upon billions of others haven't been.

You exaggerate to justify not even trying. So what if people choose to worship in different ways? So what if there are minor differences in Christian doctrine? Jesus doesn’t judge people for trying and falling short. That’s explicitly in the bible (Romans 3:23), but He will judge atheists that make bullshit excuses to avoid trying.

[IATIA]

If it exists, it can be known and therefore it can be observed and tested.

Bullshit! You intentionally exclude the evidence you don't like and justify that with your own arbitrary testing criteria.

Again, there is NO evidence.  There are only books and opinions written by man which are proof of nothing except superstitious minds.

I would seriously consider any evidence.

[Divinity]

You exaggerate to justify not even trying. So what if people choose to worship in different ways? So what if there are minor differences in Christian doctrine? Jesus doesn’t judge people for trying and falling short. That’s explicitly in the bible (Romans 3:23), but He will judge atheists that make bullshit excuses to avoid trying.

I exaggerate?  Really?  There aren't and haven't been thousands of different religions out there?  I'm not talking denominations here, short stuff.  I'm talking different religions, counting Christianity as only one.  There's Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Greek Mythology, Pagan Mythology, all the African religions, all the ancient religions that have long been lost.  

But no, I'm obviously just exaggerating. There haven't been billions upon billions of people who were born to religions other than Christianity.  

I'm sure you get off on the idea of Atheists and the like being punished.  Wonder how you'd feel if you found out your judgey little self was wrong, and that it's a different God than the one you've imagined. Wonder how you'd feel being punished by Allah or Xenu for worshiping Jesus.

[Neo-Scholastic]

...Again, there is NO evidence...I would seriously consider any evidence.

I hear this assertion so often that I listed some of the evidence in my signature line. How do you test evidence? By comparing it with other evidence. Notice that I list, not one, but three pieces of evidence that independently verify the validity of the others. So don't continue to LIE and tell us there is no evidence.