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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 1:36 am
(June 16, 2016 at 6:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Snakes, alligators, rats, giardia, whatever. Babies don't belong in ponds. I wouldn't even wade in a pond for crying out loud.
We don't have 'gators down here in Hill Country, but we have plenty of water moccasins. In any natural body of water you will have wild animals.
My understanding, which may well be wrong, is that the father was wading with the child. Stupid, sure -- alligators strike from below, and do a spin-and-retreat in order to drown mammalian prey.
Ignoring the signs forbidding swimming was stupid. The father will have the rest of his life to repent his own error.
I'm glad I'm not him.
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 2:09 am
Oh yes, the lawyers are gathering.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/disney-c...or-attack/
Quote:Disney confronts threat of legal action and public relations crisis after fatal gator attack
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 3:13 am
(June 17, 2016 at 2:09 am)Minimalist Wrote: Oh yes, the lawyers are gathering.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/disney-c...or-attack/
Quote:Disney confronts threat of legal action and public relations crisis after fatal gator attack I'll laugh the case out of court if I was on the jury.
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:16 am
(June 16, 2016 at 6:32 pm)Losty Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 6:28 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It's a POND. Why should any 2 year old be in a pond ever without being physically held onto by his parents?
Having grown up in Ohio that seems silly to me. Kids hang out at the edge and parents keep a close eye on them. It's not a problem in places that don't have alligators. not just gators, but moccasins are a very aggressive poisonous water snake that moves like lightning through water. I fear them far more than a gator. then in green standing water we also have amoebas that cause brain damage... so no if in Fl a sign says no swimming, stay away from the water.
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:22 am
(June 16, 2016 at 8:30 pm)Aegon Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Losty Wrote: He wasn't a snack. The alligator drug him underwater and drowned him. It's very sad that the parents didn't abide by the no swimming signs and that the park didn't feel it necessary to put up any alligator signs. Most places around here have "Do not feed the Gators" signs.
At first I misread that as the alligator drugged him and thought, well, maybe if the kid wasn't wearing such revealing clothing he wouldn't have looked as tasty?
Seriously though, if there were gators in the area and there wasn't anything specifically saying that, I think a wrongful death suit is possible. I mean, "NO SWIMMING" rarely ever means "YOU'LL FUCKING DIE IF YOU GO NEAR HERE."
No swimming means stay out of the water period. you don't need a reason why as it is not a debate. if nothing else green standing water means the conditions are ripe for amebas. that and a small cut means brain damage. Again no swimming means you don't get to decide how much of the rule you want to break based on your risk assessment abilities. It means, stupid stay out of the nasty green water
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:36 am
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(June 16, 2016 at 10:37 pm)mralstoner Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 10:44 am)Drich Wrote: I have personally been at this beach and the water is nasty.. to the point where your a bad parent if you allow your kid to play in it. (heavy green sludge tint to it) let alone, in the dark.. at night.
I read that this is a man-made lake, and they don't know how the alligators got there. Is it nearby to natural waterways where the gaters could have come from?
every water way in Fl is connected. (that is why after the tropical storm we got a couple of weeks ago and 6" of rain we did not look like Texas) if there is standing water there's probably a gator in it or has passed through it. There are gators ALL over disney property. It was swamp land that they build up over. so all of the natural low lying areas still contain all sorts of Fl wild life. deer, turkeys, coons, opossums, I believe a few bear were pulled out of the park recently and all manner of snakes. stay on the cement and you will be fine. go off into the swamp and you will quickly learn you are no longer on top of the food chain. Got to remember the size of this place/property is literally larger than San Fransisco, so there are lots of undeveloped sites, which means lots a wild animals..
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An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:36 am
The sign said "no swimming." As the adult, the father should have heeded the rules without question. The state is not obligated to provide the public with an explanation for why they can't swim there ("but...whyyyyy?!"). It is expected that adults should use basic reasoning skills, and follow the rules. You can take one look at that lagoon and use your imagination as to why there is no swimming allowed without ever actually knowing for certain.
Naturally occurring bodies of water, like others have said, are home to other dangerous animals besides alligators, not to mention nasty stuff like leaches and bacteria. I suppose I can see kids playing around a familiar pond that they grew up near. My cousin and I used to catch frogs in my uncle's pond when we were 9 or 10 (though we probably shouldn't have been left by ourselves in hindsight). But, in this case the family was in an unfamiliar state, by an unfamiliar body of water with an ominous "no swimming" sign. This should not have happened.
I feel awful; and I can't imagine what the parents are going through, but sometimes being overprotective can save your kid's life. I'll tell you what; I will never be able to prevent every single bad thing from ever happening to my child, but I can say with fair confidence that he won't be dragged off by gorillas or alligators!
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An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:38 am
(June 17, 2016 at 9:22 am)Drich Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 8:30 pm)Aegon Wrote: At first I misread that as the alligator drugged him and thought, well, maybe if the kid wasn't wearing such revealing clothing he wouldn't have looked as tasty?
Seriously though, if there were gators in the area and there wasn't anything specifically saying that, I think a wrongful death suit is possible. I mean, "NO SWIMMING" rarely ever means "YOU'LL FUCKING DIE IF YOU GO NEAR HERE."
No swimming means stay out of the water period. you don't need a reason why as it is not a debate. if nothing else green standing water means the conditions are ripe for amebas. that and a small cut means brain damage. Again no swimming means you don't get to decide how much of the rule you want to break based on your risk assessment abilities. It means, stupid stay out of the nasty green water
Exactly. The sign didn't say, "no swimming, but wading is fine as long as you only go ankle deep."
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RE: An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:42 am
(June 17, 2016 at 12:28 am)Losty Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 11:37 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Bold by me
This is what I hate about The UK tbh. We don't have crazy wild animals like The USA has, but you'll see stupid signs put up around construction sites, yknow just in case we missed the massive fuck-off building under construction with loose parts flying everywhere.
It's a sad world when people actually are that stupid that they need to have their hand held like that. "No swimming" signs or not, no toddler should be going near any body of water unsupervised. I do blame the parents for this.
He was being supervised. Do you really think his dad could have gotten there in time to catch the alligator and try to pry it's mouth open is he hadn't been paying attention? Alligators are faster on land but they're not exactly slow in the water.
in murky water at 9pm... If this does not set off alarm bells, then it is time that we as a society had a reminder not to do this.
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An alligator's snack at Disney
June 17, 2016 at 9:46 am
(June 17, 2016 at 9:42 am)Drich Wrote: (June 17, 2016 at 12:28 am)Losty Wrote: He was being supervised. Do you really think his dad could have gotten there in time to catch the alligator and try to pry it's mouth open is he hadn't been paying attention? Alligators are faster on land but they're not exactly slow in the water.
in murky water at 9pm... If this does not set off alarm bells, then it is time that we as a society had a reminder not to do this.
As an adult I would never put my feet into unfamiliar water I could not see the bottom of. *shudder*
Plus...it's after 9pm. Put your two-year-old to bed, ffs.
(Drich, if someone told me I'd be agreeing with you so vehemently some day, I probably would have laughed in their face, lol. [emoji13])
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