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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 8:34 am
(June 29, 2016 at 11:14 am)Nymphadora Wrote: "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." - Genesis 9:3
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you." - Leviticus 11: 7, 8
If the argument is that this is a blatant contradiction, maybe so. I think the bigger argument is that this shows that God is a bit too flexible with his plans for mankind, varying multiple times across generations. Something that doesn't seem appropriate for a majestic omniscient being.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 8:52 am
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(June 30, 2016 at 8:19 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (June 29, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Pigs are exceptionally clean.
You have obviously never raised hogs.
Yeah, never even seen one, didn;t grow up with em or anything..and it's not like I have a couple out in my yard right now. Come to think of it,...what's a pig yall, what are we talking about?
Fucking moron.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 8:54 am
And 'religiously' unclean not being synonymous with dirty (dirt dirty not prurient) is a further subtlety I've encountered with religious folks on this topic.
Kinda makes me think of the Cecil Adams definition of cooties:
an intangible profusion of vileness
IOW, it's a juvenile thing from a juvenile mind
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 8:59 am
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It does give insight into the christer mindset though. They'll blame the livestock rather than the substandard conditions imposed by the owner. Farmer G isn't a silly peice of shit...no no no..Pigs™ are -unclean-..... 
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 9:09 am
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(June 29, 2016 at 11:14 am)Nymphadora Wrote: "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." - Genesis 9:3
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you." - Leviticus 11: 7, 8
Hey Nymph, this is only a contradiction if the believer claims that God is unchanging with other 'omni' traits: an unchanging god would need to write the rules correctly in the first place, armed with the omni-science/benevolence that it would be necessary to control porcine consumption at a point in our future. It's worth checking what the believer thinks but you're correct in this contradiction from the standpoint of addressing many fundamentalist sects.
Drich, you believe in an unchanging god, don't you?
Chad, I think you don't; correct me if I'm wrong but you believe god changes it's instructions based on our ability to understand at any given point in time, with the aim of helping humanity develop? Further, that requires certain omni-traits?
Sum ergo sum
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 9:12 am
(June 30, 2016 at 8:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: It does give insight into the christer mindset though. They'll blame the livestock rather than the substandard conditions imposed by the owner. Former G isn't a silly peice of shit...no no no..Pigs™ are -unclean-.....
They do that because their god, if he were real, is narcissistic. One of the traits/characteristics of narcissism is to blameshit. Christers learn real well from their imaginary sky daddy.
"Oh look! Pigs are vile creatures because they are dirty! But it isn't our fault. It's obviously the pig's fault for living the way they do!" - pig farmer extraordinaire.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 9:23 am
(June 29, 2016 at 11:14 am)Nymphadora Wrote: "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." - Genesis 9:3
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you." - Leviticus 11: 7, 8
And?
The first was a general rule for all people. The second was given specifically to Israel. The stated purpose of the Mosaic law was to make Israel a peculiar people separate from the other nations. Note also that the Mosaic law was offered to Israel as a voluntary covenant with reward for obedience, and they accepted it.
Jewish thinkers recognized the difference and identified the 7 Noahide laws that apply to all, as opposed to the 613 Mosaic laws that apply only to Israel.
Also note that we have different rules for different subsets of people today.
So, what's the issue?
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 9:46 am
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(June 30, 2016 at 9:23 am)alpha male Wrote: (June 29, 2016 at 11:14 am)Nymphadora Wrote: "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." - Genesis 9:3
"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you." - Leviticus 11: 7, 8
And?
The first was a general rule for all people. The second was given specifically to Israel. The stated purpose of the Mosaic law was to make Israel a peculiar people separate from the other nations. Note also that the Mosaic law was offered to Israel as a voluntary covenant with reward for obedience, and they accepted it.
Jewish thinkers recognized the difference and identified the 7 Noahide laws that apply to all, as opposed to the 613 Mosaic laws that apply only to Israel.
Also note that we have different rules for different subsets of people today.
So, what's the issue?
Part of the issue is that christers believe in a book that leaves too much room for interpretation. It does contain errors, clearly. If god wanted to, being omni-everything - he very well could have made his "rules/laws" more clear. In addition, if you follow the belief that he created man, then why would he purposely single out a certain group of people for special treatment?
This is doing exactly what parents who show favoritism for one kid over another, do. They pick favorites and screw everyone else. Erm, excuse me, but if god is going to play favorites, he fucked up.
The other issue(s) have already been opined by me.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 9:56 am
I suppose the ten commandments only applied to jews also.
That's why they could kill everyone from another religion and just keep who they wanted to rape for later.
My favourite part out of the bible is when Lot wanted to give his daughters to a bunch of men so they wouldn't rape a couple of angels.
Compared to that piece of injustice, all his wife did was look back and got turned into a pillar of salt for it.
Turned out good for Lot because he got to rape his daughters later on without any trouble.
'I was drunk and they seduced me', wouldn't cut it as a defence these days.
The bible is full of good stories like that I've found.
Like the bears sent by god to eat a bunch of children who made fun of an old man.
Or Sampson killing thousands of men with the jawbone of a donkey because his hair was long and it made him strong.
I'd like to hear the good old x-tian logic on that.
There's a lot of x-tians who don't read their bible and are brainwashed. Their not necessarily stupid.
But you people who have read the bible and still believe it.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You must be fucking psychos.
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RE: Let's see how many apologetics take the bait
June 30, 2016 at 10:09 am
(June 29, 2016 at 1:07 pm)Ayen Wrote: Why'd he make an unnecessary law that wasn't needed back in Genesis and was then later scraped in the New Testament?
Was he mad at pigs, or something? There is no such thing as biblical logic. It's an elaborate joke that the English cooked up when they wrote the story.
As you are aware the fairy tale claims that you aren't supposed to eat a lot of stuff because it's an abomination. Yet the fairy tale has people literally slicing and dicing their children and making stew out of them. How insane is that? Wouldn't a normal, rational sane person rather eat a pork chop, tuna, shellfish (unless allergic), or even a roasted buzzard instead of a child?
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