4 Officers Shot Dead By Snipers, 7 Wounded in Dallas Protest Against Police Violence

[LastPoet]

LMAO @Drich.

Tut tut dude.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm guessing Dripso never grokked the concept of proportions.

[Minimalist]

Dripshit is just taking his marching orders from baptist shitballs like this asswipe.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/dallas-p...evildoers/

Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress: Cops are ‘ministers of God sent by God to punish evildoers’

Nothing like some pontificating jesus freak asshole with bullshit dripping out of his mouth to get Drippy's heart aflutter!

[Minimalist]

Sobering article.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/cops-or-...ing-shots/

Cops or collection agencies? In poor communities, police seeking fines end up firing shots

Jack Hitt, writing for Mother Jones, argues that part of the reason police crack down on communities, ultimately leading to the escalation of violence, is a result of an out-of-step police system, which, for many poor communities, functions more as a collection agency for the judicial branch than a means of protection for its citizens. For many of the headline-grabbing deaths of black citizens at the hands of police, a common thread exists: Victims are being targeted for relatively minor offenses.

Sterling’s bootlegged CDs, Castile’s broken taillight, Eric Garner’s loose cigarettes, and Michael Brown’s jaywalking—all of their deaths began with a petty violation, eventually escalating to a point where the alleged criminal—whose crime would, at best, earn the city a couple hundred bucks—is suddenly stripped of all due process and killed at the hands of police.

Of course, I'm sure the Black-Lives-Don't-Mean-Shit crowd thinks this is just fine.

[Minimalist]

Nothing we didn't already know.  Still nice to see someone call the fucks out on it in writing.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/texass-b...with-guns/

Texas’s black gun owners call BS on rights for all: ‘This is how they treat black men with guns’

“This is how they treat black men with guns,” said Babu Omowale, cofounder of the Dallas-based Huey P. Newton Gun Club, of the hunt for Hughes. “I was actually at the protest. I saw the brother with his gun, and it didn’t alarm me in any type of way because to me, he’s another brother expressing his Second Amendment right. But the police automatically view him as a suspect. But that’s how they view us — as suspects. They view us as possible criminals when we’re only applying our given rights as gun owners.”

You can bet that all across Texass the very though of someone named Babu Omowale carrying a gun has white folk shitting in their pants.

[Losty]

How did this become a Mini posts rawstory links thread?

[Drich]

I'm guessing Dripso never grokked the concept of proportions.

I know this is going to go over your head the first couple of time so why not save both of us alot of typing and read it through to or three times before you respond:

Your "proportion" ratio does not reflect an accurate dipiction of police interactions with violent criminals. It says that while 13% of all people are black, it does not speak to the precentage of race of violent criminals.

Quote from the washington times:

Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”
Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

Figures on police shootings by race are thin on the ground, but Mr. Moskos’s results have some support: The investigative journalism website ProPublica came up with a similar percentage in an Oct. 10 article, reporting that 44 percent of all those killed by police were white, using FBI data from 1980 to 2012.
The fact-checking website PolitiFact concluded in August 2014 that police kill more whites than blacks after the claim was made by conservative commentator Michael Medved. PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.
“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.

[RoadRunner79]

Clearly there are exceptions to the rule when you are dealing with a copy who is trigger happy.

My advice, which I have heard from numerous lawyers giving talks, is to ask permission to do anything before you do it. If the cop asks for your license, ask them "Can I get into my vehicle to get it?", don't just assume you can. Likewise, if the license is in your pocket, ask "Can I reach into my pocket to get my license?" before you do so.

Whilst we shouldn't have to do these things, the fact that cops get shot at by armed civilians makes them wary of any sudden movements, so always be wary of how any action may look to a cop.

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I think that this is the best advice. I remember being on a youth group trip, where we got pulled over (can't remember what for) and them telling us something similar. Keep your hands on the wheel, until the cop approaches and asks you to get something. Be calm and respectful and understanding of their position. Don't do anything sudden. I was pulled over a couple of years ago for speeding on my then new bike by a Sherrif. And I did what your post suggested, and told him, that I needed to get in my saddle bag to get my registration, before doing so.

I remember when I lived in Indiana (near Chicago), about how I thought it was humorous to see two cop cars pulling over a little old lady, with the hands on their guns the entire time. But it is understandable from a safety standpoint, and they never know who it is that they are stopping.

I can understand, those that feel that they are being harassed, because of their ethnicity. I also think that people need to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not always the case. My area is predominantly white (German/ English) and I was stopped by the police coming out of work, because it was late, and it seemed out of place to them. I can understand that if I was a minority, where I might have taken this personally. It is unfortunate, that there are these questionable shootings, but I notice in most all, that they are either evading, or not complying with the officers; and I would guess very few where the one being stopped, was respectful and compliant. There are situations where officers did make a bad judgment (and I can't imagine having to live with that), but I also it's not entirely on them, and people need to understand that their attitude and actions effect the situation as well.

[Thumpalumpacus]

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

Firstly, a policeman doesn't strike me as a terribly objective source.

Secondly, can you explain to me why he writes that?

Figures on police shootings by race are thin on the ground, but Mr. Moskos’s results have some support: The investigative journalism website ProPublica came up with a similar percentage in an Oct. 10 article, reporting that 44 percent of all those killed by police were white, using FBI data from 1980 to 2012.
The fact-checking website PolitiFact concluded in August 2014 that police kill more whites than blacks after the claim was made by conservative commentator Michael Medved. PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.
“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.

No one is arguing raw numbers. Why are you bringing them back up, unless you simply don't understand that taken demographics, according to your own source, black men are 3.5 times more likely to be shot by policemen.

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[Drich]

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

Firstly, a policeman doesn't strike me as a terribly objective source.

Well firstly I'D like to point out True objectivity is not found in your personal assessments, but rather in the raw data being provided. which was vetted by the washington times with a secondary source mentioned in the article. so despite what you 'feel' the data is sound.

Secondly, can you explain to me why he writes that?

He is drawing a line of distinction between being the general populace demographic and the demographic being confronted by the police with felonious crime/murder armed robbery ect..

Meaning while black people may only represent 13% of the general population of the US they represent nearly 1/2 of all violent crime. Meaning of those who the cops confront with a 'guns drawn' mentality White people are far more likely to be shot even tho they are in the minority of the demo graphic that places police against felony suspects.

So intruth while whites represent the vast majority of the total number of people who live in the US, they only represent little over a 1/3 of the violent criminals. and while black people are only 13% of the population nearly 1/2 of all violent crime are committed by them. that means there should be far more black people being killed by cops than there are, but again it is the other way around.

Figures on police shootings by race are thin on the ground, but Mr. Moskos’s results have some support: The investigative journalism website ProPublica came up with a similar percentage in an Oct. 10 article, reporting that 44 percent of all those killed by police were white, using FBI data from 1980 to 2012.
The fact-checking website PolitiFact concluded in August 2014 that police kill more whites than blacks after the claim was made by conservative commentator Michael Medved. PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.
“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.

No one is arguing raw numbers. Why are you bringing them back up, unless you simply don't understand that taken demographics, according to your own source, black men are 3.5 times more likely to be shot by policemen.

Again, shot =/= being killed.
It is obvious to me, that if you adjust your demographics to match who the police have to confront more often than not on violent crime, common sense is going to tell you that their will be far most instances of force/over the top escalation needed to neutralize a felony suspect (especially one who is looking at a long prison sentence) than a smaller demographic..

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