Syrian bomb and Syrian machete attack in Germany

[The Grand Nudger]

Well it wouldn't have to be.  There have been religions in which the faith or the gods did not take primacy over things like nation, or family, or even ones own wishes and desires. It's only our modern lack of context (being treated to..essentially, three brands of the same shit here in the western world) that might make us miss that little tidbit. When we say "religion" we only think of abraham, anymore, and what's true or common to those three faiths isn't a necessary trait of faith in the general.

In my opinion, the judeo-christian doctrine (and lets lump islam in there as a derivative) are uniquely positioned to turn desperate people into martyrs. They can pull people who wouldn't martyr themselves for country.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I didn't want to do that, since they're not violent - as of yet. But it sure is the same base, yet again falling for snake oil vendors.

Both Trump and Farage have incited violence, and violence has increased. They can't come out and say "I want you to be violent" because there are laws about that, they can only talk about violence in the abstract. And by doing so they can put into people's minds the idea of committing violence on their own initiative. For example by stating the conditions on which violence will occur if they don't get their way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ni...8a838b8c9c

Trump is not quite so subtle and condones violence either implicitly by making comments about doing it himself if he were in a particular situation or saying that he will pay the legal fees for the man who punched a protestor

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide...ched-video

There are many examples if you want to google it.

We've already had an MP murdered in cold blood. The effect of this is more than one dead MP. It will make politicians more cautious about saying anything that puts them at risk of nutcases.

If you disagree with this, then ask yourself, how could Farage and Trump incite violence any more without risking falling foul of the law?

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/a-legal-...-to-prove/

[henryp]

Murdering people seems to be a part of their culture. Have you been wronged? Kill a bunch of people.

I'm not sure it's even terrorism related. Just how they roll.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Which brings to the forefront once again the point that terrorism, of whatever sort, is nourished more by desperation than it is by faith. Comfortable people don't happily kill themselves, most times.

Faith simply offers a context for negotiations, and an implicit sense of trust and consideration both of the other party, and whatever it is they've proposed.  

Let's say you weren't comfortable, that you were positively stifled by desperation...and you were looking to end your life.  If someone suggested that you die for allah/ummah in a terror attack, you'd tell them to pound sand.

Well, I think acts of terror happen at the intersection of desperation and psychosis, most of the time. Faith is more like the weather the day of the wreck ... it can have an influence but is rarely a direct cause.

[The Grand Nudger]

You separate the three...desperation, psychosis, and faith.  I have a harder time doing that, lol.

[Neo-Scholastic]

One an obvious stalker and ordianry nutjob, the other one, probably a terrorist attack.

The guy in Ansbach was rejected for asylum and had known psychological issues.

I agree with all the above. At the same time, isn't it almost always the case that those criminals who do not have purely material or personal motives (thieves and rapists) have some type of mental disorder. Meaning, when they say a mass shooter, for example, had a history of mental problems, when would that not be the case. The depraved and politically motivated leaders are by design clearly exploiting weak-minded individuals. As I see it, mental instability it not the cause of their actions; but rather, a necessary condition upon which evil people prey.

What I mean is that undiagnosed insane people have many many possible outlets for their condition. Some turn on others, other harm themselves, and some seek help. Much depends on outside influences that direct the intention of their disease in different directions. If radical Islamic propaganda was rare and difficult to access by disaffected young Muslims, then maybe they would be less inclined to strike out and more open to the influence to a positive Islamic worldview (if there is one). I'm not calling for censorship. I'm just pointing out that the continued existence of well-organized Islamic terror groups and State-sponsors makes it impossible to marginalize the radical ideologies that motivate so-called 'lone wolf' terrorists.

[abaris]

If radical Islamic propaganda was rare and difficult to access by disaffected young Muslims, then maybe they would be less inclined to strike out and more open to the influence to a positive Islamic worldview (if there is one). I'm not calling for censorship. I'm just pointing out that the continued existence of well-organized Islamic terror groups and State-sponsors makes it impossible to marginalize the radical ideologies that motivate so-called 'lone wolf' terrorists.

In Germany it's not as easy to come by. Because of hate speech legislation. That hasn't got anything to do with religion or something, just with inciting a crowd to take violent action or the possibility thereoff. Of course they can't police any corner where some preacher might lurk and there's still the internet.

But, as I said before, and I can't stress that enough. Secular as well as religious ideologies can serve and have served as a conduit to lure disenfranchised people in. It's just dependant on how susceptible the particular person is to any given message.

[abaris]

Further news in on the suicide bomber. More than a year ago a psychologist treating him had warned against something like that happening. He could seek a spectacular way out, the doctor said according to German news. He also warned that after losing his wife and six month old son, the man got nothing left to lose.

Onn the same lines, police talks about an online chat with an unknown person right before the attack, where the later bomber was encouraged to do what he did. They didn't offer further details, but it plays into what I assumed earlier. Some behind men targetting especially vulnerable people to influence them to do their bidding.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Well it wouldn't have to be.  There have been religions in which the faith or the gods did not take primacy over things like nation, or family, or even ones own wishes and desires.

Usually, not a good thing: Imperial Japan, for example.

[The Grand Nudger]

The emperor -was- their god....so.....? You're going to have to think back more than just a few years to hit the sorts of religions I had in mind.