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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 1, 2016 at 10:45 pm
(August 1, 2016 at 9:46 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I don't think his main goals are book deals and speaking fees. His annual revenue from his Realestate empire is around 30 times what the Clintons earned through speaking fees and book deals during all of the last 15 years.
I think his main goal is to bind some disgruntled know-nothing segment of the electorate to the name trump, and through them create a trump political family dynasty. He probably has the Kennedy family, or even the bush or Clinton family in mind. But unlike these other families, which, even the Bushes, all at some point had demonstrated positive outlook for the republic, outstanding public service, professional political skill, or impressive policy mastery with which to found political dynasties, trump seem to be totally cynical and regard greasy fortune and pure demoguagary of the crudest kind as sufficient basis for establishment of political dynasty in America. Even the unscrupulous bootlegger and Nazi sympathizer Joseph Kennedy Sr had sufficient respect for the American republic and the deserts of the American electorate to not run himself, but give his offspring the necessary training and experience to pursue a proper public political career.
I don't think he has nearly the money or revenue he says he does. He has obviously inflated his net worth and his revenue disclosures have tried to pass off gross revenue as net revenue. He may actually need the money or at least need it to maintain his lifestyle. But if the idea is to make money the last laugh may be on Trump as his hotels and other properties are suffering from his publicly, and his core supporters can't afford them.
But I think the real reason he's running is shear narcissistism.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 1, 2016 at 11:34 pm
(August 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Trump has begun to explain his ultimate loss (or at least I hope and he fears it is his ultimate loss) with complaints that the election is "rigged." http://time.com/4433984/donald-trump-gen...on-rigged/ This comes on the heels of what looks like the beginnings of excuses for not debating Clinton. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...es/493889/ I sure hope his fears of losing are right.
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1. Act like a half way decent person
2. Act like a half way decent person
3. Talk shit about Hillary and the emails
4. Enjoy being president.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 12:01 am
I'm fucking ecstatic at the idea of Trump losing.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 12:02 am
Dyresand Wrote:1. Act like a half way decent person
2. Act like a half way decent person
3. Talk shit about Hillary and the emails
4. Enjoy being president.
He couldn't do the first two bullet points if his life depended on it.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 1:34 am
(August 1, 2016 at 7:03 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Having said that, I do wonder what will happen if Trump skips the debates. Would it hurt him less than if he actually debated (I think Clinton would destroy him on the debate stage)? Or would it hurt him more, as it would be see by most as chickening out.
Trump's big sell for the presidency has been predicated on being the biggest, strongest, winningest guy for the job, who'll protect us all from mean brown people and political correctness. Skipping the debates- when his opponent is a woman!- will not go down well with even a certain section of his voting bloc, the ones who actually believe the strongman narrative. His core supporters, for whom that narrative is largely window dressing for the bigotries Trump really embodies, and who are largely just as much paper tigers as Trump himself, will not be swayed by that, but there will be some who will question it.
None of them, incidentally, would be swayed by him actually going to the debates, I don't think. Remember, these are people who watched his performance during the primaries, the debates he held there and the way he's conducted himself generally, and came away thinking "there's my guy!" At this point, no amount of intellectual ass whooping will influence them away from him, because intelligence in the forms debates are most apt to demonstrate, is not something that bloc values.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 2:01 am
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I think there are some hard line evangelical conservatives that might be persuaded when they are watching him as their candidate. Remember, before, he didn't represent them. Cruz or Rubio or Carson represented them. People that have been backed into a corner and support Trump might feel differently when his lack of policy and knowledge is exposed. When his rampant bigotry and petty name-calling represents them, there should be a bunch that jump ship. Hillary just has to keep out of the mud slinging game.
Cruz's "Vote your Conscience" might come into play.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 2:11 am
The debates will sway the independents, crucial for Hillary. For Trump the decision is a Hobson's Choice -- no matter how he decides, he loses.
Skip the debates? He'll look afraid to slug it out, and his base will wonder how much a fighter he really is.
Engage in the debates? He'll lose the independents he needs to win as his mouth goes into overdrive under the klieg lights.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 4:30 am
(August 1, 2016 at 11:34 pm)dyresand Wrote: (August 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Trump has begun to explain his ultimate loss (or at least I hope and he fears it is his ultimate loss) with complaints that the election is "rigged." http://time.com/4433984/donald-trump-gen...on-rigged/ This comes on the heels of what looks like the beginnings of excuses for not debating Clinton. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...es/493889/ I sure hope his fears of losing are right.
Pro tip for trump.
1. Act like a half way decent person
2. Act like a half way decent person
3. Talk shit about Hillary and the emails
4. Enjoy being president.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 5:33 am
(August 2, 2016 at 4:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To paraphrase John Oliver, if Trump lacks even the basic skills to comfort the parents of a slain soldier, he isn't at 'half way decent person.' In fact, the light from 'half way decent person' won't reach Donald Trump for 100 000 years.
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RE: The Election is Rigged (I'm Going To Lose)
August 2, 2016 at 6:01 am
Trump is basically a comic book villain, at this point. This election feels like it's been written for 10-year-olds. I won't be surprised if at the end of this Trump washes off the orange clown make-up, removes the candy-floss wig and admits, that all this was a part of a TV show.
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