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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm
(August 29, 2010 at 6:37 am)The Omnissiunt One Wrote: In practise, an infintesimal probability is indistinguishable from an impossibility.
But you're talking about an infinitesimal probability of the existence of God which is an infinite concept. Which concept wins in that calculation? In such an environment, certainty is essential.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 1:03 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm)Existentialist Wrote: But you're talking about an infinitesimal probability of the existence of God which is an infinite concept. Which concept wins in that calculation? In such an environment, certainty is essential.
It's situations like this when mathmatics gives physicists infinities as a result of an equation that's suppost to be a part of physical reality, it's always regarded as a major problem with the mathmatics that must be ruled out because, in reality, there are no infinities. (Physicists have the same regard for tacheons, but it's not as widespread and some theories can produce them and some cannot.)
Which I suppose proves, if anything, that nothing that exists can be infinate anything and even when physicists speak of infinite anythings, they usually just mean there's more of (something) than anything else (such as when they describe certain properties of black holes).
So... yeah. No infinities.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 1:08 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (August 29, 2010 at 6:37 am)The Omnissiunt One Wrote: In practise, an infintesimal probability is indistinguishable from an impossibility.
But you're talking about an infinitesimal probability of the existence of God which is an infinite concept. Which concept wins in that calculation? In such an environment, certainty is essential.
The concept of god is not an infinite one.
It is a meme like any other and be dismissed just as easily as I dismiss the thetan, zeus, odin, toothfairy memes.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 1:03 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: So... yeah. No infinities.
And infinitesimals?
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 3:17 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm)Existentialist Wrote: And infinitesimals?
Not actually things.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 3:21 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 3:17 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: (August 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm)Existentialist Wrote: And infinitesimals? Not actually things.
What does that mean?
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 3:52 pm
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(August 30, 2010 at 3:21 pm)Existentialist Wrote: What does that mean?
It means there are no infintes in the universe. There are no infinately large, infinately small, infinately dense*, infinately anythings in the universe.
*=You'll often hear the term tossed around regarding black holes in certain respects, particularly about the quantum singularity's density, but 'infinate' these things truely aren't in any respect.
I've noticed that physicists erroneously throw these terms around as shorthand in place of "really fucking" [something] despite being quite finite.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 30, 2010 at 6:31 pm
(August 30, 2010 at 3:52 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: It means there are no infintes in the universe. There are no infinately large, infinately small, infinately dense*, infinately anythings in the universe.
Yup, I agree with that. So there's no such thing as ever and never, no infinite beings and no infinitessimal probabilities.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 31, 2010 at 9:59 am
'Infinitesimal' simply means 'very very small', not infinitely so.
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RE: Atheism worships a dead god.
August 31, 2010 at 1:47 pm
(August 25, 2010 at 6:58 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: What would happen if God existed? Whatever he wants to happen if he's truly omnipotent. It makes no difference whether we're an existentialist or not.
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