Sexism/feminism: what's your reaction to this song?

[ScienceAf]

Yes! I asked because you make the statement that men don't catcall that much. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. It's a fair question, don't you think?

Yeah, I agree. Most men really wouldn't see the catcalling so much when they aren't the targets of it. I doubt that any of the men here are that kind of guy, but that also means it's that much visible to them. Personally, I've seen this from both perspectives. It definitely becomes much more obvious from the female side of things.

You're a good normal second wave feminist.

Like every good man who respects women. But you don't see any 2nd wave feminism here. Just maybe some 3rd wave feminism but I can't know till I ask her.

Bleh. I don't want to get into the whole "# wave" crap. I stand with feminists. That's all there is to it.

So feminist against feminazi?

[Mermaid]

Yes! I asked because you make the statement that men don't catcall that much. Just trying to understand where you're coming from. It's a fair question, don't you think?

GG, yeah I am and it does seem to be fair so... Why not tell ya.
But it's not just that I think men cat call that much.

It's that and a few other videos I saw that happened to have hour long gaps between each catcall.

That is what I meant by not making judgments about a group you are not a member of, and I say this with absolutely no hostility.
You don't know fully about the experiences of women because you aren't one. Just like I don't know fully about the experiences of men because I am not one. Why would you jump to calling it a falsehood instead of just listening and considering what people are saying? Things can be very different than they appear outwardly. I ask you to just consider this.

It does happen often. If you don't do it or do not see it often, great. Good for you. But it does happen. And it can feel really humiliating to some. It is something that can be perceived as humiliation or even aggression, and it often does not feel good.

[Mermaid]

Nevermind, I am dumb and kan't read. 

[Mermaid]

It happens to a lot of women.

Normal men don't do it that much to women.
It's just that those minority of men do it to the majority of women.

Which is wrong of course.

We agree on this.

[Jesster]

Yeah, I agree. Most men really wouldn't see the catcalling so much when they aren't the targets of it. I doubt that any of the men here are that kind of guy, but that also means it's that much visible to them. Personally, I've seen this from both perspectives. It definitely becomes much more obvious from the female side of things.

Bleh. I don't want to get into the whole "# wave" crap. I stand with feminists. That's all there is to it.

So feminist against feminazi?

I'm not going to start splitting people up. I'm honestly tired of that. I just see it as a way to break the larger group up to make it weaker and easier to target.

I see it happening with LGBT as well. People keep trying to break it up, but the group effort is what makes it work at all.

[Gemini]

Bleh. I don't want to get into the whole "# wave" crap. I stand with feminists. That's all there is to it.

Seconded. If it's too complicated for me, it's just too fucking complicated.

I think the song is fine, with charitable contextual assumptions. And with the caveat that a feminist woman can enjoy being submissive (and being called by diminutive terms) in consensual situations.

[ScienceAf]

GG, yeah I am and it does seem to be fair so... Why not tell ya.
But it's not just that I think men cat call that much.

It's that and a few other videos I saw that happened to have hour long gaps between each catcall.

That is what I meant by not making judgments about a group you are not a member of, and I say this with absolutely no hostility.
You don't know fully about the experiences of women because you aren't one. Just like I don't know fully about the experiences of men because I am not one. Why would you jump to calling it a falsehood instead of just listening and considering what people are saying? Things can be very different than they appear outwardly. I ask you to just consider this.

It does happen often. If you don't do it or do not see it often, great. Good for you. But it does happen. And it can feel really humiliating to some. It is something that can be perceived as humiliation or even aggression, and it often does not feel good.

You are right. I don't know the full experience of being a women, and I never will. But however I called it a falsehood because I had no choice but to be superficial. I had no background information on this women or the song so I had to develop the most likely situations. And I also understand things can be very different. I feel the same sometimes.

I know it does happen. It's bad. It depends where, why, and how. But you are right it does happen. I'm just saying that it's the bad men who do it to all women.

And for I know, I was probably wrong. But I don't know. I never got an opinion or judgment from a women on this topic besides online like people like Sh0e0nHead.

I grew up around alot of women, but that's still not an excuse. Maybe even in Queens, New York or Smithtown, Long Island people don't catcall but those are the only places I've stayed.

So I will now gladly take your criticism and thoughts on the subject.

[ScienceAf]

So feminist against feminazi?

I'm not going to start splitting people up. I'm honestly tired of that. I just see it as a way to break the larger group up to make it weaker and easier to target.

I see it happening with LGBT as well. People keep trying to break it up, but the group effort is what makes it work at all.

It's that I simply don't like the misandry against men the comes from the feminazis.
So I wish to not be grouped with them.

[Mermaid]

That is what I meant by not making judgments about a group you are not a member of, and I say this with absolutely no hostility.
You don't know fully about the experiences of women because you aren't one. Just like I don't know fully about the experiences of men because I am not one. Why would you jump to calling it a falsehood instead of just listening and considering what people are saying? Things can be very different than they appear outwardly. I ask you to just consider this.

It does happen often. If you don't do it or do not see it often, great. Good for you. But it does happen. And it can feel really humiliating to some. It is something that can be perceived as humiliation or even aggression, and it often does not feel good.

You are right. I don't know the full experience of being a women, and I never will. But however I called it a falsehood because I had no choice but to be superficial. I had no background information on this women or the song so I had to develop the most likely situations. And I also understand things can be very different. I feel the same sometimes.

I know it does happen. It's bad. It depends where, why, and how. But you are right it does happen. I'm just saying that it's the bad men who do it to all women.

And for I know, I was probably wrong. But I don't know. I never got an opinion or judgment from a women on this topic besides online like people like Sh0e0nHead.

I grew up around alot of women, but that's still not an excuse. Maybe even in Queens, New York or Smithtown, Long Island people don't catcall but those are the only places I've stayed.

So I will now gladly take your criticism and thoughts on the subject.

It wasn't a criticism as much as a question. I appreciate it, and it's something I also struggle with, I didn't mean to sound like I am some authority. It's hard to walk in someone else's shoes!

I am also way off the original topic, for which I am sorry. Carry on.

[ScienceAf]

You are right. I don't know the full experience of being a women, and I never will. But however I called it a falsehood because I had no choice but to be superficial. I had no background information on this women or the song so I had to develop the most likely situations. And I also understand things can be very different. I feel the same sometimes.

I know it does happen. It's bad. It depends where, why, and how. But you are right it does happen. I'm just saying that it's the bad men who do it to all women.

And for I know, I was probably wrong. But I don't know. I never got an opinion or judgment from a women on this topic besides online like people like Sh0e0nHead.

I grew up around alot of women, but that's still not an excuse. Maybe even in Queens, New York or Smithtown, Long Island people don't catcall but those are the only places I've stayed.

So I will now gladly take your criticism and thoughts on the subject.

It wasn't a criticism as much as a question. I appreciate it, and it's something I also struggle with, I didn't mean to sound like I am some authority. It's hard to walk in someone else's shoes!

I am also way off the original topic, for which I am sorry. Carry on.

Lol, sure thing mam. I'm also like 12 so I don't even have that much experience.
Don't worry. I only treat actual authority figures as authorities. Not skeptics or scientists. We should be open to criticize them.