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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:29 pm
(August 30, 2016 at 8:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: It's more fun to wait until they start in on each other. *goes to make popcorn* At least the believers on this forum are willing to challenge each other. Maybe it is confirmation bias but it truly seems to me that the atheist members do not challenge each other nearly so much. I have never seen one atheist debate another about causality for example . It is nearly always gang up on the theists.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:39 pm
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(August 31, 2016 at 2:25 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: No... I just disagree that different denominations, means a different Christology.... which you appear to be claiming. Some differences are merely organizational. Other's have to do with the nature of the church.
That's the usual counterclaim, that denominations are just differences in choir music or how much a pastor gets paid. It's not -actually- the reason for schisms, but hey...don't let that get in the way.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:42 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 2:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (August 30, 2016 at 8:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: It's more fun to wait until they start in on each other. *goes to make popcorn* At least the believers on this forum are willing to challenge each other.
Are they........lol?
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 2:43 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 2:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: At least the believers on this forum are willing to challenge each other. Maybe it is confirmation bias but it truly seems to me that the atheist members do not challenge each other nearly so much. I have never seen one atheist debate another about causality for example . It is nearly always gang up on the theists.
Challenge each other on what? Either science is wrong or the monotheistic deities are out of the window. That in itself doesn't mean that I spiritual entity is unimaginable. That's why my sig still read agnostic and will continue to read so. But any scripted god is utter bullshit in lights of what we know about the world and the universe.
Could a totally neutral higher intelligence exist? Certainly. I don't have evidence for or against it's existence. But a humanocnetric deity doesn't make any sense, given the short period of time humans have been around.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Still no clear statement what non-physical entities are?
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:14 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Alex K Wrote: Still no clear statement what non-physical entities are?
As for me I word say that the meanings of words, language in general, is nonphysical. At the very least, it is irreducible.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:20 pm
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Strange, because machine language is not only physical, it's defined by it's physical structure, and reducible to the interactions of gates.
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:20 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 3:14 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (August 31, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Alex K Wrote: Still no clear statement what non-physical entities are?
As for me I word say that the meanings of words, language in general, is nonphysical. At the very least, it is irreducible.
Meanings of words are given by the way they are recognized by the neural networks in our brains. This is determined by physical structures, the corresponding information is stored in the positions of axons and synapses etc...
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:21 pm
(August 31, 2016 at 9:19 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I don't think that's quite right. Kant's position was that the mind shoehorns the affect of an incomprehensible reality-as-it-is into comprehensible categories. Otherwise I agree that materialism is a dying paradigm, which is why most serious atheistic thinkers have made the semantic shift to 'physicalism'. No one seriously believes anymore that the world is made of indivisible particles that interact mechanistically.
Don't tell the chemists...
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RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
August 31, 2016 at 3:23 pm
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Chemists don't believe in atomism either, lol.
Quote:Unlike their modern scientific namesake in atomic theory, philosophical atoms come in an infinite variety of shapes and sizes, each indestructible, immutable and surrounded by a void where they collide with the others or hook together forming a cluster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
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