Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 12:06 pm
Right. And if an argument is flawed for a particular reason, and we're all good at logic, we're all going to point out the same flaw. Not our fault if the flaw is never fixed.
Posts: 67172
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 12:13 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2016 at 12:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You don't have to be particularly good at logic to point out the flaws in theists favorite mantras. There's this impression that it's a heavy subject..difficult or complicated, but it never turns out to actually be heavy, difficult, or complicated. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Haha yeah, I guess I should have said not-totally-useless as logic.
Posts: 67172
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
162
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Shhh, shh, someone might think we just had a disagreement about something and came to a mutual understanding after swift debate. Don't want to turn over any applecarts.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 8711
Threads: 128
Joined: March 1, 2012
Reputation:
54
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm
(September 1, 2016 at 11:58 am)abaris Wrote: From the top of my head I would say I'm challenging atheists more often than theists, since most theists making it here aren't worth debating at all.
You're right. I've been overgeneralizing quite a bit lately. Work has been eating at me. Had to terminate a contract with a non-performing vendor and now I have to do all the work they should have been doing AND correcting all their mistakes. So I'm feeling a little piled-on lately. Not that that's an excuse. It isn't.
Posts: 3064
Threads: 3
Joined: July 10, 2016
Reputation:
37
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 5:45 pm
(September 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 1, 2016 at 11:58 am)abaris Wrote: From the top of my head I would say I'm challenging atheists more often than theists, since most theists making it here aren't worth debating at all.
You're right. I've been overgeneralizing quite a bit lately. Work has been eating at me. Had to terminate a contract with a non-performing vendor and now I have to do all the work they should have been doing AND correcting all their mistakes. So I'm feeling a little piled-on lately. Not that that's an excuse. It isn't.
Well shoot. Just make sure you take some time out for yourself. I hope the debate here isn't adding to that too much. Debates can be fun though, and I hope that's how it is for you.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
Posts: 23918
Threads: 300
Joined: June 25, 2011
Reputation:
151
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 5:51 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2016 at 5:51 pm by Whateverist.)
(August 29, 2016 at 10:25 pm)joseph_ Wrote: Materialism is dead nowadays as a serious philosophical theory. I think the Kantian realization that the world is dependent on our senses causes us to to doubt that we can contain the world in language or our thoughts. Science has not disproved the existence of other dimensions.
Why would people be unwilling to acknowledge the possibility that spiritual entities exist? I talk to them every day and they talk back to me, using English words and language. I am sure this is real and most societies have had some sort of concept of this. Why would people be unwilling to acknowledge there could be other life besides human life?
What? Is that all? Of course there is other kinds of life besides humans. In addition to the entire animal an plant kingdoms there are also the beings encountered within books. There you will encounter Cersei Lannister, Hercules, Mary, Thor and David Coperfield just to mention a few. Beyond those there are all the beings I meet in my dreams and a few I've wondered about on drugs. Sure there are lots of beings besides humans, it turns out not all of them have a pulse.
Posts: 23013
Threads: 26
Joined: February 2, 2010
Reputation:
106
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 5:57 pm
(September 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 1, 2016 at 11:58 am)abaris Wrote: From the top of my head I would say I'm challenging atheists more often than theists, since most theists making it here aren't worth debating at all.
You're right. I've been overgeneralizing quite a bit lately. Work has been eating at me. Had to terminate a contract with a non-performing vendor and now I have to do all the work they should have been doing AND correcting all their mistakes. So I'm feeling a little piled-on lately. Not that that's an excuse. It isn't.
Hope things get better for you, Chad.
Posts: 23013
Threads: 26
Joined: February 2, 2010
Reputation:
106
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 6:03 pm
(September 1, 2016 at 3:58 am)bennyboy Wrote: For example, I've experienced under LSD the effects of synaesthesia, where I smelled things I saw, saw sounds, etc. I've experienced lucid dreams in which I was able to very vividly and in details hear how musical instruments would blend together, something I have difficulty doing in waking life.
Yeah, under the influence of LSD, and 'shrooms for that matter, I have definitely experienced altered states of consciousness.
I really enjoy how they bifurcate my mind -- on the one hand, I have the experential mind collecting these odd perceptions, and on the other hand, I still have my rational mind (most often in the background under these circumstances, but still functioning) say, "Hey, guys, check this out. Would you record that there? What shade of green is that? Are you fucking nuts?" and so on.
I think that's one reason LSD especially gives insight into the mind's operations -- because it splits them up in real time and we are no longer syncretic beings, but devolve to each portion of the brain chasing its strong suit and laughing at the others that are tripping out ... even as it's tripping out itself and doesn't realize it.
Posts: 18510
Threads: 129
Joined: January 19, 2014
Reputation:
91
RE: What philosophical evidence is there against believing in non-physical entities?
September 1, 2016 at 6:14 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2016 at 6:14 pm by Alex K.)
Still no statement from OP what's a useful definition of non-physical entities.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
|
