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I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
#31
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
Given the Abrahamics followers have been conned into thinking 'spirit' is indistinguishable from 'emotion' I don't hold much hope.
You have to get to something far more primal before the word has any real meaning.
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#32
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
There is a big problem with Christianity and the brain. It's a common problem for religions. They generally tell us god gave us a brain because he wanted us to think, but then he also wants us to not use it and just do what we are told without question.
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#33
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
God gives you the gift of free will and all he asks in return is that you use that freedom to behave like a mindless slave for all eternity. Much sense making.
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#34
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
(September 6, 2016 at 10:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(September 6, 2016 at 10:17 am)robvalue Wrote: Does it even give a falsifiable definition of a soul?

I'll be astounded if it does.

Yeah, good point.  Let's work on a definition before we can even talk about evidence in favor of such a thing.

Did you not read the article?

That was the primary take way from it, was a defination the article gives coinsides/works with the 2007 Theory of Biocentrism. The old term 'soul' is being described in the theory as it's primary biological life force. It is conscientiousness. 

That is your definition. This theory explains makes an attempt to account for Conscientiousness as a product of biology. which Robert Lanza, M.D., the currently Chief Scientific Officer at the Astellas Institute for Regenerative Medicine and Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

For the purpose of this article drew parallels with His/our understanding of the word soul.

Both you and bobbie-value want to poo poo on this topic without doing any of the leg work.. Intellectual dishonesty anyone? How about a side of closed minded laziness?
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#35
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
(September 7, 2016 at 7:53 am)robvalue Wrote: There is a big problem with Christianity and the brain. It's a common problem for religions. They generally tell us god gave us a brain because he wanted us to think, but then he also wants us to not use it and just do what we are told without question.

It's like EVERYTHING you think you know about Christianity is absolutely wrong... You know the laws of averages says you should at least be right 1/2 the time.

For example:
1Thess 5:21 QUESTION ALL THINGS, And hold on to what is Good.

-Or are you intentionally wrong about Christianity? Is being wrong about everything you say (Misrepresenting Christianity or building straw men) the only way you can source the self righteous indignation you have towards God? If so..

What does it say about your conclusions once they have been proven to be so wrong?

Like above, You acknowledge most say God gave us a brain to think, but your self righteous judgemnent says Christian are forbidden to question God... So then this gives you license to pomp and parade a supposed hypocritical statement about somehow disproving the legitimacy of Christianity and God... But again In the bible we are commanded to "Question all things... "
This does not mean only question the questionable, it also means to question the foundational things as well, then we are to hold on to what is good.

Which invalidates everything you had to say... What do you do when this happens? Do you ever take pause and consider 'what if everything I think is wrong, or how could I have not know such a fundamental unconditional fact?' Or do you just bury your head a little deeper and press on?

I mean if you like, I can take a week or two if need be and go through everything you've said regarding your understanding of Christianity, and correct it.. IF you are willing to take a seriously look as well and change the 'facts' you are constantly spouting in error.

So what say you bob-ster? You ready to be held to account for the things you claim about God, the Church and/or Scripture? Are you willing to recant the things you said in error?
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#36
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
Are you a Christian? Your logic is defective. Christianity is myth and superstition. There is no proof of a god's hand in this universe. Give me proof. Your article gives no proof of the soul and I can guarantee you have no proof of the BibleGod.
Don't give me crap sprayed with aerosol and tell me it is truth. That is what Christian apologists do.

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RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
(September 7, 2016 at 9:57 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 7, 2016 at 7:53 am)robvalue Wrote: There is a big problem with Christianity and the brain. It's a common problem for religions. They generally tell us god gave us a brain because he wanted us to think, but then he also wants us to not use it and just do what we are told without question.

It's like EVERYTHING you think you know about Christianity is absolutely wrong... You know the laws of averages says you should at least be right 1/2 the time.

For example:
1Thess 5:21 QUESTION ALL THINGS, And hold on to what is Good.


Quote:Romans 9 : 14-23
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

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I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
(September 7, 2016 at 9:39 am)Drich Wrote:
(September 6, 2016 at 10:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yeah, good point.  Let's work on a definition before we can even talk about evidence in favor of such a thing.

Did you not read the article?

That was the primary take way from it, was a defination the article gives coinsides/works with the 2007 Theory of Biocentrism. The old term 'soul' is being described in the theory as it's primary biological life force. It is conscientiousness. 

That is your definition. This theory explains makes an attempt to account for Conscientiousness as a product of biology. which Robert Lanza, M.D., the currently Chief Scientific Officer at the Astellas Institute for Regenerative Medicine and Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

For the purpose of this article drew parallels with His/our understanding of the word soul.

Both you and bobbie-value want to poo poo on this topic without doing any of the leg work.. Intellectual dishonesty anyone? How about a side of closed minded laziness?


First of all, the tone of article is DRIPPING with confirmation bias, non-sequiturs, and question begging. I'm happy to go into detail if you disagree with me.

Second of all, the "definitions" of the soul put forth by the article (and by Lanza) are so ambiguous as to be functionally useless. Definition of the soul: 'a force not explainable by science.' Wow. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Third, yes I have heard of Biocentrism; or simply put, the "theory" that consciousness generates life/the universe, not the other way around. Not only is there no supporting evidence for such a sweeping assertion, the theory is set up so that it is practically untestable. And anyone who claims that the double slit experiment is evidence for this notion is only demonstrating their lack of understanding.
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#39
RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
I don't mean to sound nasty. I was also a Christian and I realized that the Bible is full of errors. It could not have been the word of God. I know what indoctrjnation does. I was indoctrinated.

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RE: I don't believe in Christianity primarily because of the brain
(September 7, 2016 at 10:09 am)SerenelyBlue Wrote: Are you a Christian? Your logic is defective. Christianity is myth and superstition. There is no proof of a god's hand in this universe. Give me proof. Your article gives no proof of the soul and I can guarantee you have no proof of the BibleGod.
Don't give me crap sprayed with aerosol and tell me it is truth. That is what Christian apologists do.

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