Where else?

[Little Rik]

Pan.  

Let me clear 2 point so people will know who is the one who talk garbage.  

1) About me healing people.
I did in fact but that had nothing to do with intuition.
Years ago when I was working in a nursing home an old man was on the brink to have one of his leg amputated.
The MSRA bugs were destroying his leg. (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus).
After several month trying to get rid of this disease with antibiotics the doctors gave up and an operation
to amputated the leg was discussed with the family of this man.
I felt terribly sorry also because this man was so nice.
It came in my mind about the NEEM oil which has been used in India for ages as a natural remedy against skin diseases.
I always keep NEEM oil in my house just in case.
What did I do then?
5 days a week when at work I removed the bandages in the leg of that man I cleaned all the rotten flesh
and I apply NEEM oil.
Put clean bandages back and do the treatment once again before I finish my shift.
In few days the result was impressive so the family told the doctors that the amputation was not necessary anymore.
After 3 week all bugs were dead and the leg look normal again.
This was a natural remedy that western doctors haven't got a clue about.
So nothing to do with intuitional power.
You fail badly son.
Your criticism is like a fart.

Anecdote. Abuse.

2) Let us now talk about who is deluded.

Take the consciousness.
Atheists think that we got this consciousness thanks to previous generations.
In this way the manna fall from the sky.
Gee, we got something for free, isn't that good?

FOOL.

Assertions. Abuse.

When have you ever got something for free?
Doesn't life teach you that everything that we got come through hard work?
So who is deluded?  

Argument by analogy. Abuse.

Roberto.  

I must have got you in one of your sad moment in which your dogs and rabbit obedience system doesn't work the way it should.  

Never mind Rob.
Tomorrow your pets will listen to you.  

In the meantime can you please tell me why the consciousness that we got should come for free?  

[Angrboda]

Based on his research, Dr. Karl Jansen notes that "Recent advances in neuroscience are bringing us closer to a brain-based understanding of the NDE as an altered state of consciousness."[19] Jansen also determined that the effects of an NDE can be induced with ketamine, a hallucinogenic, dissociative anesthetic related to PCP. Jansen explains, "Ketamine administered by intravenous injection is capable of reproducing all of the features of the NDE which have been commonly described."

Regarding ketamine, Jansen quotes Doctors Grinspoon and Bakalar that "The dissociative experiences often seem so genuine that users are not sure that they have not actually left their bodies."[20] Jansen quotes Dr. Leary that ketamine use represents "experiments in voluntary death."[21]

Jansen's explanation of why ketamine and a near-death condition will cause similar effects is summarized as follows:

NMDA receptors in portions of the brain are important in cognitive processing and other functions. The same region of the brain plays a role in epileptic events and others in which cell (neuron) damage may occur due to the presence of glutamate (neurotransmitters). The use of ketamine prevents such damage. The brain might possibly release a neuroprotective counter-flood to glutamate similar to ketamine during catastrophic events. It is known, for example, that endopsychosins and magnesium and zinc ions naturally bind to the same (drug binding) sites as ketamine (the PCP receptor of the NMDA receptor). The hallucinogenic effects of ketamine are due to an NMDA receptor blockade.

Thus Jansen concludes "Near-death experiences (NDEs) can be reproduced by ketamine via blockade of receptors in the brain (the N-methyl-D-aspartate, NMDA receptors) for the neurotransmitter glutamate."[22] Most of this explanation is based on well-understood observations of neurological processes.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience (emphasis mine)

[Little Rik]

Actually I was waiting for your evidence that a dead brain is capable of experience something that later on can be described in a clear and sharp way by the NDE experiencer.
How long shell I wait for your evidence my dear?  

"No Evidence" Rik:

You can wait forever for all I care.  As explained before, you are the one presenting claims about the way things are, so your evidence for that worldview is what matters.  I'm not defending anything here.  But as always, your only trick is to attack materialism, because you can't defend your own beliefs.  It's a sad ploy, and you're nothing but a con artist for employing it.  Even if I had no evidence for anything, that wouldn't make you right by default.  So quit your whining and get your ass back on the line.  Your request for evidence is nothing but a pathetic diversion.  But thanks for the red herring.  I'll put it aside for later.

Lol.
That is bizarre yog.  

If you........do not defend anything why then you show studies after studies that try (in vain) to contradict my ideas?

Now you show how fool you are.  

[robvalue]

If you quote the part where I have ever said, "Consciousness comes for free", I shall provide evidence to back up my assertion.

Until then, stick with people who have actually made such a claim. Whatever the fuck it's supposed to mean. I'm not your atheist strawman in your bedroom.

See if you can write a post without insulting people. You're one of the rudest people I've ever met. Is that a side effect of Yoga?

[Angrboda]

"No Evidence" Rik:

You can wait forever for all I care.  As explained before, you are the one presenting claims about the way things are, so your evidence for that worldview is what matters.  I'm not defending anything here.  But as always, your only trick is to attack materialism, because you can't defend your own beliefs.  It's a sad ploy, and you're nothing but a con artist for employing it.  Even if I had no evidence for anything, that wouldn't make you right by default.  So quit your whining and get your ass back on the line.  Your request for evidence is nothing but a pathetic diversion.  But thanks for the red herring.  I'll put it aside for later.

Lol.
That is bizarre yog.  

If you........do not defend anything why then you show studies after studies that try (in vain) to contradict my ideas?

Now you show how fool you are.  

Hahahaha. That's a laugh, "No Evidence" Rik. I'm just showing what bullshit it is that you are spewing. But thanks again for trying to distract our attention away from the fact that you haven't provided evidence for your claims. If you spent half as much time presenting evidence as you do spinning stories and engaging in trash talk, you'd be miles ahead. Instead, all you can do is try to distract and throw out a bunch of meaningless bullshit.

[Jesster]

See if you can write a post without insulting people. You're one of the rudest people I've ever met. Is that a side effect of Yoga?

Yeah, he even makes me look polite. That takes practice.

[robvalue]

I did yoga for a few weeks. I had to stop though. It made me too tired, and I kept getting punched in the face after randomly insulting everyone I saw.

[Cyberman]

Can you give us anything outside of the 4 A's?

Arseholeism?

[Little Rik]

Based on his research, Dr. Karl Jansen notes that "Recent advances in neuroscience are bringing us closer to a brain-based understanding of the NDE as an altered state of consciousness."[19] Jansen also determined that the effects of an NDE can be induced with ketamine, a hallucinogenic, dissociative anesthetic related to PCP. Jansen explains, "Ketamine administered by intravenous injection is capable of reproducing all of the features of the NDE which have been commonly described."

Regarding ketamine, Jansen quotes Doctors Grinspoon and Bakalar that "The dissociative experiences often seem so genuine that users are not sure that they have not actually left their bodies."[20] Jansen quotes Dr. Leary that ketamine use represents "experiments in voluntary death."[21]

Jansen's explanation of why ketamine and a near-death condition will cause similar effects is summarized as follows:

NMDA receptors in portions of the brain are important in cognitive processing and other functions. The same region of the brain plays a role in epileptic events and others in which cell (neuron) damage may occur due to the presence of glutamate (neurotransmitters). The use of ketamine prevents such damage. The brain might possibly release a neuroprotective counter-flood to glutamate similar to ketamine during catastrophic events. It is known, for example, that endopsychosins and magnesium and zinc ions naturally bind to the same (drug binding) sites as ketamine (the PCP receptor of the NMDA receptor). The hallucinogenic effects of ketamine are due to an NMDA receptor blockade.

Thus Jansen concludes "Near-death experiences (NDEs) can be reproduced by ketamine via blockade of receptors in the brain (the N-methyl-D-aspartate, NMDA receptors) for the neurotransmitter glutamate."[22] Most of this explanation is based on well-understood observations of neurological processes.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience (emphasis mine)

Here we are with one more study that at the end say nothing new.  

Every idiots knows that drugs alter the normal consciousness so it is possible to enter a different dimension and feel so good regardless of the consequences that will follow.

As far as to see God no way but you still can enjoy his outer circle where everything is so good.
NDEs on the contrary do not have side effects and you can understand God and how the system works.  

[Little Rik]

If you quote the part where I have ever said, "Consciousness comes for free", I shall provide evidence to back up my assertion.

Until then, stick with people who have actually made such a claim. Whatever the fuck it's supposed to mean. I'm not your atheist strawman in your bedroom.

See if you can write a post without insulting people. You're one of the rudest people I've ever met. Is that a side effect of Yoga?

Roberto.  

1) Atheism believe in the evolution of the specie and does not believe in reincarnation.
That means that we never build up the consciousness that we got and that come because the evolution of the specie brought us here.
In other words it means that we never build up our present consciousness which again means that we got it for free.
Got it now Rob?  


2) Oh, you feel about insulting.
How sad Rob.
I just wonder why you gave a kudos to Pandaemonium when he said that I am.......utterly deluded
and he believe that I have some sort of mental health condition, perhaps schizophrenia or something that induces delusions on a far grander scale than your average person?

This of course is not insulting Rob, isn't it?
How naive are you Rob?