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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 4:48 pm)Jesster Wrote: So your god will predict that this is going to happen and allow it anyway? Some people may be considered "corrupt", but to just be okay with raping women and smashing children if their people don't change their ways is far from love. That's not a good punishment for displeasing anyone.
Please define love in your own words.
No, my God would warn Humanity of what is to come so to give them a second chance at life using prophets. He didn't personally do those actions he just dropped his favor from them and allowed the enemies of babylon to do what they will.
Love is God and God is Love. Love is not forced. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)lighthouse Wrote: A: God is indeed a God of love.
Nope he isn't. There, mature feedback.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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I appreciate the elaboration, but I think we all understand that you believe those things. There's really no need to make proclamations of ritual piety in front of us. We're not an altar, this isn't a rite, lol.
Some of us just don't believe in what you believe in...-any- of it. Your idea of love doesn't fit ours, and we can't really disagree on the subject by reference to the word love because it;s plainly apparent that we aren't even discussing the -same- subject. That's not something that can be argued, it's just an observation of fact. It leads nowhere, between us, because we have no common ground in it from which to begin, or to arrive upon. For yet others of us, whether or not god is, god loves, or god loves us is an irrelevance itself. Unrequited love is stalking by another name.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 4:53 pm)lighthouse Wrote: blood sacrifice was dumb thats why we stopped doing it
Yeah, blood sacrifice is pretty dumb, according to most people. So I'm supposed to believe your blood sacrifice story because . . . why?
Anyway, what's this "we" shit? You're a virgin, right? A virgin Christian? Splendid!
Now, would you please step just a bit closer to the big wicker effigy? 
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:04 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm)lighthouse Wrote: (October 3, 2016 at 4:48 pm)Jesster Wrote: So your god will predict that this is going to happen and allow it anyway? Some people may be considered "corrupt", but to just be okay with raping women and smashing children if their people don't change their ways is far from love. That's not a good punishment for displeasing anyone.
Please define love in your own words.
No, my God would warn Humanity of what is to come so to give them a second chance at life using prophets. He didn't personally do those actions he just dropped his favor from them and allowed the enemies of babylon to do what they will.
Love is God and God is Love. Love is not forced. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
Isn't your god supposed to be all-powerful? I think anyone with a spec of love could do more than a warning. It sounds more like a threat to me.
Please define love in your own words. I will keep asking.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Aroura Wrote: Hi Lighthouse.
So, the only choice humans are given is to love God or to suffer eternal punsihment. Do you feel those are very equal options?
As to your analogy, if I had 5 children, I think it is pretty extreme to assume that they will either be murderers or saviors. Perhaps some of them will chose not to follow in my footsteps, and perhaps even become estranged from me for one reason or another, but they will still be good, decent people. Perhaps those that chose to suck up to me will secretly be serial killers. You analogy makes no sense to me, at all. It is very black and white. It seems that you see people as either good which means those that love God, or evil which is those that do not.
Our job as parents is to raise children that will go be productive members of society independent of their parents. If my children do not love me back, nor cling to me forever, I would not send them to eternal punishment. How is that part loving? My love for my child is unconditional. Any punishment I do give them will fit the crime, and have the intent of making them better in the long run. Eternal punishment, by definition, cannot make a person better, as you cannot learn from it and maybe then come back to god. It's eternal.
The god you describe demands love in return for his kindnesses, and if it is not received, punishes. Please explain to me how a God that cannot even do what a human mother can do, can be called a God of Love?
He does not demand love. He does not punish. It is simply if you love him you spend eternity with him if you do not love him you go to the only place where he is not. Perhaps it was a bad analogy. How about one about marriage. Would you want an arranged marriage or one created out of love. He does not force us to love him because that wouldn't actually be him loving us now would it.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:06 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm)lighthouse Wrote: No, my God would ..
I can only imagine how thrilling it must be to speak for such a powerful god, knowing full well nothing can contradict you except total nut jobs who believe crazy shit.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:07 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 4:53 pm)lighthouse Wrote: Nah he isn't a tyrant.
He asked Abraham to give his son as a sacrifice and right before he did, God stopped him and told him to use a lamb in the bush instead. God just needed to know that if that was what it came to Abraham would give his only son who meant the world to him.
And you don't find that abhorrent?
Quote:This allowed God to make a covenant and Give his only son to be perfect and suffer through torture and three days in hell to pay for everyone's sins so they didn't have to make blood sacrifices anymore and the holy spirit could live inside of us.
Seems awfully convoluted for an all-powerful being who, at least according to Catholics, simply waved away Mary's sin so Jesus could be born sinless.
Quote:original sin is the fact that we are a self centered species. You can see that in the fact that a baby's first words are "mine" and they only love you because you give them things and keep their belly full.
LMAO, not every baby's first word is "mine."
Quote:you walk yourself into hell he doesnt punish you by putting you there. hell is simply a place where he is not.
Given that god created hell (either intentionally, or simply through his absence), I fail to see how this is a meaningful distinction. He could, in his infinite power, create a place that isn't torturous for non-believers, and other sinners. That he doesn't is just as damning.
Quote:sin isn't really relevant to why you go to hell. you go to hell for not loving him because why would he want to spend eternity with someone that doesnt love him back.
Why does a perfect being desire the love of inferior creatures?
Quote:you just simply go to a place where he is not. Since he is love and everything good and hell is the opposite then i guess its not the most pleasant place.
You haven't even established that god is love and everything good. And the evidence seems to point to 'no', so....
Quote:Thank God I am his
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 5:04 pm)Jesster Wrote: Isn't your god supposed to be all-powerful? I think anyone with a spec of love could do more than a warning. It sounds more like a threat to me.
Please define love in your own words. I will keep asking.
He is all powerful. He is all love and all good. The warning back then would have been taken more seriously than the warnings of today. Humans of today are a bit stupid. It wasn't a threat. He just dropped his protection on a land of people that defiled his name. kind of like Syria right now if you think of it.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm)lighthouse Wrote: He does not demand love. He does not punish. It is simply if you love him you spend eternity with him if you do not love him you go to the only place where he is not. Perhaps it was a bad analogy. How about one about marriage. Would you want an arranged marriage or one created out of love. He does not force us to love him because that wouldn't actually be him loving us now would it. Right. I don't love him, and he isn't going to force me to love him, so I'm going to go to the place where he is not. What's the problem?
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