christian school project

[Cato]

Just another misguided soul being taught to insert rationalized appeals to emotion where evidence belongs.

[Faith No More]

This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback.

Find a better school.

[lighthouse]

Oh you're back! Okay, you went to sleep, but these things happen to some people.

So when you're back again, could you please define love in your own words for us? It's good to have a definition we agree on if we are going to debate this.

I would like to know your definition

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Yea you missed the point. If I don't care enough to know you why should I care about your project?

theres no point. you literally have no reason to get to know someone that youre going to interact with for a grand total of five minutes. if you wanted to take this to a personal interaction I would say we should get to know eachother

[chimp3]

This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback.

Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?

A: God is indeed a God of love. He loves all of his creations yet holds humanity among his favourite and loves them more than the others. First and foremost he created us with the gift of freewill. He gave us a perfect earth with no death or sickness. It was all just sex, good food, beautiful views, and tame animals. God had a very personal relationship with Adam and Eve. He didn’t force them into loving him back. He gave them an escape button. They took it. He is always chasing after our hearts and only wants us to chase after his heart.  His love is not forced and he gives us an option. Think of it as you have 5 children. Three of them will end up addicted to drugs and being thrown into prison for stealing and murder. The other two will solve world hunger, cure cancer, and lead the nations with strong morality. You have a choice to kill them all or raise them all. God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back. Only two choose to love him back and let him pure his knowledge and supernatural love into and the other two rejected him yet he was still with them even if they couldn’t see.

How do you reconcile your god as loving parent with the myth of the great flood. In this brutal tale god drowns everyone but a few. Pregnant women, babies, children. He did not choose to "raise them all". Loving? I think not.

[Jesster]

Oh you're back! Okay, you went to sleep, but these things happen to some people.

So when you're back again, could you please define love in your own words for us? It's good to have a definition we agree on if we are going to debate this.

I would like to know your definition

Wow. Do I have to play the "I asked first" game? You're proposing an argument about love. This is your topic. It's not up to me to figure this out for you. Please answer the question.

[lighthouse]

I haven't read the whole thread, I just jumped into random pages and skimmed through. But the OP is asking a question based on the assumption that her god exists. It does not. It cannot.

Humans are not rational creatures. We are animals evolved to survive in a particularly environmental niche. So the OP may immediately rail against the idea that there is no god, but that's because she has probably been taught from an early age that there is one. Or she hasn't been taught critical thinking skills and just accepts what she has been told that also feels good. Science has shown us that the human brain has emotional reactions that are then consciously rationalised.

First, what is a god? We can't even define it, so how can anyone believe in it, especially considering that there is no difference between their god and anything else that they can imagine. And if you could define what a god was, and explain it, then it wouldn't be a god but an alien creature.

Secondly, the very idea of a god is at odds with what we know about how the universe works based on scientific knowledge. And we know that science works. We wouldn't have the modern world if it did not. Medication, transport, weather forecasting, computing, mining and drilling for oil, GPS for example are all based on science that contradicts the Bible. So the OP is arguing from her own personal ignorance by dismissing all these.

The Original Post has about as much connection to reality as arguing about Father Christmas / Santa Claus 's motivations for invading little children's bedrooms and delivering presents if they're 'good'. The only relevance there is to real life is to discuss the OPs own standards of ethics and morality.

There is no god. There cannot be a god. We cannot even define what a god is. The whole idea is nonsensical. It literally is on a par with assuming the existence of Father Christmas / Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

Hi Mathilda, while I appreciate your preconceived assumptions of how christians are raised you are wrong in this case. I didn't grow up believing in God or in a church. Human brain and the nature of humans are fascinating and I love studying it so I think you're great already.

God is defined in many dictionaries as "the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being." so I guess we can define it. Science is simply the explanation of how God works. The big bang is how God spoke the universe into existence.

The content of the post is truth and if you choose not to accept that, that is fine. I'm on an atheist forum site. I know nobody here believes in God and I'm not expecting you to. There is a God and ignoring him isn't going to make him go away. How can you disprove his existence if you never looked for him? Nothing is impossible in the science world so why is this? Nobody dedicates their lives to the tooth fairy or santa.

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How do you reconcile your god as loving parent with the myth of the great flood. In this brutal tale god drowns everyone but a few. Pregnant women, babies, children. He did not choose to "raise them all". Loving? I think not.

He gave them all many chances to turn their lives around but the humans and earth were much more currupt than it is today. Thats hard to believe considering how currupt everything is today. There was only one family left who loved God so he gave humanity another chance through them. This also allowed you to exist. Noah also warned the people of the flood and nobody believed him. So I mean..... God gave them chances bruh. God gave them plenty of chances and choices on how they wanted things to go down but he wouldn't let the creation which he loved so dearly to just become evil and corrupt. The same God that provides mercy, love, chances, and choices is also one of great power. He is slow to anger but he can still be angered.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

the words love and God are interchangeable in many cases with the bible

[abaris]

Lighthouse, you have to keep in mind that you're not the first one to come here asking questions for some school project.

What all these questions have in common is to be simplistic while using many words.

First, you already establish there is a god by claiming god is love. Not just any god, but your god, as scripted in the bible. That's not the way to go with atheism or agnosticism. The first question to be asked would be, is there any god and can it possibly be the one from scripture? Only if this is answered with yes, you can discuss the nature of this very specific god.

I do realize, you attending some christian school, have answered that with yes already. We haven't. In our majority we would answer with no. So there's no point in taking it from there, since the premisse already is a wrong one.

[chimp3]

I haven't read the whole thread, I just jumped into random pages and skimmed through. But the OP is asking a question based on the assumption that her god exists. It does not. It cannot.

Humans are not rational creatures. We are animals evolved to survive in a particularly environmental niche. So the OP may immediately rail against the idea that there is no god, but that's because she has probably been taught from an early age that there is one. Or she hasn't been taught critical thinking skills and just accepts what she has been told that also feels good. Science has shown us that the human brain has emotional reactions that are then consciously rationalised.

First, what is a god? We can't even define it, so how can anyone believe in it, especially considering that there is no difference between their god and anything else that they can imagine. And if you could define what a god was, and explain it, then it wouldn't be a god but an alien creature.

Secondly, the very idea of a god is at odds with what we know about how the universe works based on scientific knowledge. And we know that science works. We wouldn't have the modern world if it did not. Medication, transport, weather forecasting, computing, mining and drilling for oil, GPS for example are all based on science that contradicts the Bible. So the OP is arguing from her own personal ignorance by dismissing all these.

The Original Post has about as much connection to reality as arguing about Father Christmas / Santa Claus 's motivations for invading little children's bedrooms and delivering presents if they're 'good'. The only relevance there is to real life is to discuss the OPs own standards of ethics and morality.

There is no god. There cannot be a god. We cannot even define what a god is. The whole idea is nonsensical. It literally is on a par with assuming the existence of Father Christmas / Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

Hi Mathilda, while I appreciate your preconceived assumptions of how christians are raised you are wrong in this case. I didn't grow up believing in God or in a church. Human brain and the nature of humans are fascinating and I love studying it so I think you're great already.

God is defined in many dictionaries as "the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being." so I guess we can define it. Science is simply the explanation of how God works. The big bang is how God spoke the universe into existence.

The content of the post is truth and if you choose not to accept that, that is fine. I'm on an atheist forum site. I know nobody here believes in God and I'm not expecting you to. There is a God and ignoring him isn't going to make him go away. How can you disprove his existence if you never looked for him? Nothing is impossible in the science world so why is this? Nobody dedicates their lives to the tooth fairy or santa.

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How do you reconcile your god as loving parent with the myth of the great flood. In this brutal tale god drowns everyone but a few. Pregnant women, babies, children. He did not choose to "raise them all". Loving? I think not.

He gave them all many chances to turn their lives around but the humans and earth were much more currupt than it is today. Thats hard to believe considering how currupt everything is today. There was only one family left who loved God so he gave humanity another chance through them. This also allowed you to exist. Noah also warned the people of the flood and nobody believed him. So I mean..... God gave them chances bruh. God gave them plenty of chances and choices on how they wanted things to go down but he wouldn't let the creation which he loved so dearly to just become evil and corrupt. The same God that provides mercy, love, chances, and choices is also one of great power. He is slow to anger but he can still be angered.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

the words love and God are interchangeable in many cases with the bible

It is never, ever good to drown your children for disobedience. My moral stance on this is superior to yours and your invisible sky fairy.

[chimp3]

No one has ever dedicated their lives to Santa Claus ? Countless children have and will. They will write him letters, tell their secret desires while sitting on some old guys lap at the mall, hope inside Santa knows they are good boys and girls, then thank him on Christmas morning. They will grow up to be parents who tell their own children the Santa tale and take their own kids to the mall to sit on his lap.

The only reasons religious people put more faith in god are because of the vast weight of ancient texts and their assumed authenticity, emotional appeals, peer pressure etc. Otherwise god is just like old St. Nick.

[Jesster]

*sigh* No answer to my question. Lighthouse, you aren't going to get anywhere with me until you can answer that one. I really don't know what you mean by love. The way you are describing it makes me think you're working off a different idea of love than I am. I could tell you what I thought of love, but that would be a pointless waste of time. If you disagree with my definition, you'll just be able to deny mine and argue for your own idea of it. Let's skip that step and go off of what you think. If your idea of love fits better with your description of your god, then we have something more solid to work with.