Origin of Allah(Al-illah)

[Zen Badger]

Contrary to popular belief, christianity and islam are not monotheistic religions.

Between god and us there is a veritable host of lesser deities; angels, demons, devils etc.....

Just like the nominally polytheistic religions.

So you can't even really separate them, just the same ol' crap repackaged for a new target audience.

[fr0d0]

I think that's an unsupportable assertion Zen. A deity, and especially a god, is defined as a supreme being, and not the only supernatural being in a belief system. Polytheism is the concept of many separate deities of equal importance.

[downbeatplumb]

I think that's an unsupportable assertion Zen. A deity, and especially a god, is defined as a supreme being, and not the only supernatural being in a belief system. Polytheism is the concept of many separate deities of equal importance.

You seem to be upgrading the job description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

[Zen Badger]

Au contraire my little welsh friend.

Almost all polytheistic religions consist of a supreme creator god i.e Zues, Odin, Ra etc.

These then create lesser deties then poor old humanity.

Just like christianity with yahweh, then the angels, then satan and his minions, then people.

[madferit]

The word "Ilah" translates to God, so every god is an ilah. It's not an actual name for one
Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat were the three goddesses worshiped by the Arabs before Islam, they were believed to be his three daughters as you mentioned until Mohammed and his followers came and destroyed their statues

But why Muhammed used this god? Couldn't he imagine a new name?

The way this was explained to us is that the Allah they were worshiping the same god Mohammed does, the problem was they also worshiped his daughters.
Allah "inspired" Mohammed to go and spread the word of god to the people and deny his bairns:
"He begetteth not, nor is He begotten" -Surat Al-Ikhlas

looking forward for your thread about Islam and Christianity

[annatar]

You seem to abandon reason anna. You can be shown logic and bare faced deny it. I can deny what Mohammed says where it it demonstrably and clearly contradictory of itself. The Quran contradicts itself when saying Allah = God and then saying that God is what he cannot be logically. It's quite simple.

To act like a Christian you have to follow Christ's teachings anna. If an action can be clearly demonstrated to violate that teaching then we can with justification classify the action as not Christian.

My point is you can't logically refute when muho said old testament and bible is changed during time and people corrupted gods words. Therefore if quran says allah is jesus' and moses' god then you have to accept that.Understand this you dont have to believe it but you have to accept it becouse muhammed(or anyone for example joseph smith.) says so. Muhammed didn't changed something that is real he changed a fictional story and therefore he doesn't need evidence for it. "god told me" is enough... Im not telling it's rational but since when religions are rational? On the other hand christianity and islam has a lot common. of course some differences they have but not much.

[fr0d0]

@ anna: Not much = the whole fucking point anna. Yeah you can live with the logical inconsistencies because you've never considered them. When looking for the truth in something, glaring logical inconsistencies like this give me cause to rule stuff out.

Yeah sure lots of people say lots of shit: Muhammed, Joseph Smith, David Icke.

@ madferit: yeah sure allah is a word for god. what I'm talking about is the specific Islamic definition of Allah.

@ Zen: The other gods were lesser gods than Zeus - him being the boss... but they were still gods allowed to be worshipped in conjunction with him. this is different to monotheism where only one God rules.

[annatar]

Yeah sure lots of people say lots of shit: Muhammed, Joseph Smith, David Icke.

not to mention jesus...
http://atheistforums.org/thread-4592.html
I am writing on another forum and this one is turkish. and I have one funny muslim friend just like you are.. He claims that muslims misunderstood quran. He has the ability of changing the most bloody verses into something perfectly hilarious.. Just like you would do to book of job or noah's ark.. You are not different as you think. Actually you are so close that your arguments are pretty much same...

Not much = the whole fucking point anna.

not much= They approve beard and you dont kinda things...

glaring logical inconsistencies like this give me cause to rule stuff out.

But when it comes to christianity inconsistencies became alegorical meanings somehow.. You are not objective when it comes to christianity. But easily judging other religions just like any other theist..

[Zen Badger]

@ Zen: The other gods were lesser gods than Zeus - him being the boss... but they were still gods allowed to be worshipped in conjunction with him. this is different to monotheism where only one God rules.

And from our perspective what is the difference between an angel like Gabriel and a lesser god such as Mercury?

They are still beings far beyond our ken. You might think they are different, but the organizational structure is still the same.

[fr0d0]

@ anna: your jesus thread is just more of the usual bullshit from you. You seem unable to separate idle talk with facts.

@ Zen: from wikipedia:

"Polytheism is a type of theism. Within theism, it contrasts with monotheism, the belief in a singular God. Polytheists do not always worship all the gods equally, but can be Henotheists, specialising in the worship of one particular deity"

"Ancient Greek theology was based on polytheism; that is, the assumption that there were many gods and goddesses. There was a hierarchy of deities, with Zeus, the king of the gods, having a level of control over all the others, although he was not omnipotent. Some deities had dominion over certain aspects of nature, for instance, Zeus was the sky-god, sending thunder and lightning, Poseidon ruled over the sea and earthquakes, and Helios ruled over the sun. Other deities ruled over an abstract concept, for instance Aphrodite controlled love."

"God is the English name given to the singular omnipotent being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a single deity in polytheism."

"Angels are messengers of God in the Hebrew Bible (translating מלאך), the New Testament and the Quran. The term "angel" has also been expanded to various notions of "spiritual beings" found in many other religious traditions. Other roles of angels include protecting and guiding human beings, and carrying out God's tasks."