Origin of Allah(Al-illah)

[annatar]

@ anna: your jesus thread is just more of the usual bullshit from you. You seem unable to separate idle talk with facts.

But you believe in that bullshit!
Yea thats just idle talk.. And its fair to call someone who ask for help as dog! But lets not forget that it's just a figure of speech!? Your fucking jesus is not a good person(if he exists) and your fucking god(we know he isnt exist) is not all loving god. And you are as deluded as any other fanatic. You just dont want to hear that your god somehow related to muslims.And the reason? They are savages.. And of course muslims started all that witch hunts. And Muslims coused crusades.. Christianity is just as cruel as islam. And according to its creators you are a heretic! But of course you know better than they are.
I am sick of more intelligent people trying to make some stupid bastard's shitty beliefs look like reasonable.
GET OVER IT!

[fr0d0]

Try using reason anna

[annatar]

reason tell me that the guy in this conversation is a racist bastard. And has no difference from muhammed. Reason also tells me that you dont want to face it.
when you compare quran and bible half of the content(maybe more) is same
What is the word when you finish praying? Amen right? And for muslims its Amin.
You have the story of adam and eve. guess what quran has it too!
You both believe in same creation story.
To you non-believers will go to hell and its same for muslims.
You believe in Mary had a virgin birth They believe in it too.
You believe in jesus is son of the god islam believes jesus is a prophet who has given the scripture.
you believe in judgement day muslims believe in too
you believe in god forgives everything they believe in allah forgives everything.
You believe in noah's ark so is the muslims
you believe in story of lot so is the muslims
Your symbol is cross (which is a pagan symbol) Their symbol is moon(which is a pagan symbol)
You believe in one god they believe in one god
this list goes on almost forever..
Face it your god is the same god as muslims. What is my proof? Similarities! But to me its all bullshit. Both have some serious contradictions which is clearly point out that its not written by god but mortal humans just like you and me.(we can probably do a lot better..)
If you had said that god has spoken to you and gave you instructions. And your instructions were mostly same as christianity. I would say your god is the same god as yehova or jesus or allah or ahura mazda. Thats it. Thats my whole fucking point.

[Zen Badger]

God is the English name given to the singular omnipotent being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a single deity in polytheism."

But god isn't singular is he.

Even discounting the angels, who as far as we are concerned are godlike anyway.

You still have satan who is obviously equal to god in capability since god is unable to defeat him.

And plenty of people worship satan.

If there was just god and no others yes it would be a monotheistic religion. But it isn't.

[fr0d0]

In xtianity, there is one God and no others Zen. He is tripartate, sure, he isn't 3 gods ever, only one.

Angels are not "God like" at all. They're spiritual beings ≠ God. Satan is a fallen angel.

It's noted in xtianity that people worship other gods. That doesn't include them as Christians but people who have different beliefs.

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@ anna

reason tell me that the guy in this conversation is a racist bastard. And has no difference from muhammed. Reason also tells me that you dont want to face it. - he healed her right?

when you compare quran and bible half of the content(maybe more) is same agreed

What is the word when you finish praying? Amen right? And for muslims its Amin. yep

You have the story of adam and eve. guess what quran has it too! I'm shocked - not

You both believe in same creation story. - I don't 'believe" it. I take spiritual truth from it

To you non-believers will go to hell and its same for muslims. the theology is close but additions in Islam make the whole thing very different

You believe in Mary had a virgin birth They believe in it too. indeed

You believe in jesus is son of the god islam believes jesus is a prophet who has given the scripture. - very different. I believe Jesus is God incarnated

you believe in judgement day muslims believe in too in a way, yes

you believe in god forgives everything they believe in allah forgives everything. not in the same way

You believe in noah's ark so is the muslims - not literally

you believe in story of lot so is the muslims I'd imagine as Islam bases itself on the old testament we have a lot in common

Your symbol is cross (which is a pagan symbol) Their symbol is moon(which is a pagan symbol) - I don't have a symbol

You believe in one god they believe in one god agree

this list goes on almost forever.. almost

Face it your god is the same god as muslims. What is my proof? Similarities! But to me its all bullshit. Both
have some serious contradictions which is clearly point out that its not written by god but mortal humans just like you and me.(we can probably do a lot better..)

Only muslims believe it's written by God. Christians believe that it was written by humans and inspired by God.

If you had said that god has spoken to you and gave you instructions. And your instructions were mostly same as christianity. I would say your god is the same god as yehova or jesus or allah or ahura mazda. Thats it. Thats my whole fucking point.

Your refusal to study what you profess is illuminating. I have shown you clearly how Allah differs fundamentally from God with texts to back that up (http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm), yet you seemingly fail to even glance at that.

Where Islam and Christianity converge is that they are both endeavours to understand the nature of God. Where I personally draw the line with Islam is with the gross logical inconsistencies as presented in that link (http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm), for example..

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- he healed her right?

(So called healed) And not before she accepts his place as a DOG! Today's doctors are merciful then jesus.

You both believe in same creation story. - I don't 'believe" it. I take spiritual truth from it

that is why you are not really christian. You are hiding behind "thats not literal" argument. Which I clearly explained it to you in related thread.

Allah differs fundamentally from God

Since you changed your god's job descriptions It really differs. But When you look at the books they are same in fact they are fighting who is the worst..(allah wins...)

Only muslims believe it's written by God. Christians believe that it was written by humans and inspired by God.

So you are really dont know anything about quran.. Believe me reading it from christians is not a good idea. If you want to read from somewhere read from http://www.turandursun.net (btw its an atheist source.)
Muslims doesn't believe its written by god. God "inspired" muhammed and actually quran doesn't written properly not until muhammed died.. you can find out what happened in that website i mentioned..

Your refusal to study what you profess is illuminating. I have shown you clearly how Allah differs fundamentally from God with texts to back that up (http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm), yet you seemingly fail to even glance at that.

one more time: You dont have to be rational in order to change something is already fiction! If quran claims its god is same Then you have to accept it Believe or not its not important. When I talking to you I accept your god and its crazy stuff. But that doesn't mean that I believe in him!
Quran claims that bible has changed during time and people corrupted it. And thats enough explaination to change a fictional story.
I know how illogical and inconsistent quran is! And I don't need some hypocrite theist website to confirm that. In fact I was the one who argue with mo3 when he threw up his shits to this forum. But you know what you are not different. Sad but true.

[Zen Badger]

In xtianity, there is one God and no others Zen. He is tripartate, sure, he isn't 3 gods ever, only one.

Angels are not "God like" at all. They're spiritual beings ≠ God. Satan is a fallen angel.

It's noted in xtianity that people worship other gods. That doesn't include them as Christians but people who have different beliefs.

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So if satan is not equal to god why does god allow him to continue?

Either god is incapable of defeating him, which suggests that satan is equal to god.

Or god is unwilling to, which implies that god is allowing satan to do what he does. Thusly encouraging evil.

[annatar]

So if satan is not equal to god why does god allow him to continue?

This is one huge paradox all monotheistic religions possess. Never seen anyone can really explain this one..

best explains this stupidity

[fr0d0]

- he healed her right?

(So called healed) And not before she accepts his place as a DOG! Today's doctors are merciful then jesus.

WTF??

You both believe in same creation story. - I don't 'believe" it. I take spiritual truth from it

that is why you are not really christian. You are hiding behind "thats not literal" argument. Which I clearly explained it to you in related thread.

Show me where Christian = must take the bible literally.

Only muslims believe it's written by God. Christians believe that it was written by humans and inspired by God.

So you are really dont know anything about quran..

You just said that God wrote the Christian bible as well as the Quran.

Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed from Allah to Muhammad orally through the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of approximately twenty-three years

Muslims believe the Quran to be the direct instruction of Allah. That it has serious inconsistencies (not debatable but provable) as well as presenting Allah to be God yet contradicting the nature of God. It's just a joke.

I know how illogical and inconsistent quran is! And I don't need some hypocrite theist website to confirm that. In fact I was the one who argue with mo3 when he threw up his shits to this forum. But you know what you are not different. Sad but true.

So tell me what errors are present on that website then. I'd like to know.

[Ashendant]

Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed from Allah to Muhammad orally through the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of approximately twenty-three years

Muslims believe the Quran to be the direct instruction of Allah. That it has serious inconsistencies (not debatable but provable) as well as presenting Allah to be God yet contradicting the nature of God. It's just a joke.

The bible is a inconsistent has the Qu'ran, and Islamic religion says that muslims jews and christians worship the same god, just because some christians believe it is not so(which is a stupid point since islam was built after christianity) doesn't make it any wronger

They worship the same god, admit it and shut up.