Can you explain why Hillary sucks?

[SteelCurtain]

The reason Hillary is hated so much is that she's been the 'presumptive nominee' for 8 years, and we've known in some way that eventually she was setting herself up for a run at the presidency for much longer. Every action she's taken has been scrutinized at 1000x magnification, every exploitable issue she's been involved with has hit the Faux News cycle, and every half truth and misrepresentable opinion has been nurtured and released into the carefully cultivated and germinated white hate machine that Faux News has crafted over the last 20 years. She's not perfect, but in this day and age with any politician, you could literally find 100 things that can be blown out of proportion and made to look damning.

The Republicans don't do that. Because their own poison would bite them. So they trot out a plethora of morons onto a debate stage and let them throw shit at each other until there is only one standing, but that fucked them this cycle. Their own propaganda machine brought out the birthers, the truthers, the science deniers, the 'persecuted' Christians, the doomsday preppers, and the racist underbelly of America, and pointed them at their new god. They wanted to make America angry at President Blackenstein and the march of social progress that was making the white, Christian, middle class male less of a phenomenon---and it worked. Too well. Now they have their candidate, and his past is starting to show up.

I'd imagine that the timing of this is not arbitrary. Right before the second debate. It's all anyone is going to want to talk about. And you know that Donald won't be able to help talking about Bill in the worst tu quoque of all time. The tacit declaration being---"yeah, I sexually assaulted women because I think my billionaire status affords me certain privileges---namely to kiss and grope women without their permission---but Bill told me something crazy on the golf course once." Maybe KellyAnn will remind him that Bill isn't running for president. But probably not.

[vorlon13]

GOP cold war, or vast right wing conspiracy, they all have as their best ally, Hillary herself.

And sometimes Bill . . . .

[Minimalist]

Megan Kelly apologizes for bullshitting FOX Fucks with doctored emails.

http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2016/10/m...es-hillary

Sadly you have to watch the whole tape to get to her retraction at the end.

Looks like Drumpf's pal Putin is trying to save his sorry orange ass.

[Aroura]

I would like to bump this topic with the following questions to those who think Hillary is the lesser of 2 evils, and those that find her even worse than Trump.

Please explain her crimes, and provide links.

In my research, and I'm honestly trying to look outside the echo chamber, I'm not finding most of the accusations leveled against her to be true.
She's not very liberal, I'll give you that. She's not as green as I'd like.

There is no evidence she sold any weapons to ISIS.
She didn't steal White House furnishings or property, nor even attempt to steal.
She didn't free a rapist, or laugh about it.
In fact, nearly every accusation leveled against her appears to be somewhere between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, based on a dab of facts but with huge amounts of fiction mixed in, to just outright 100% fiction.

The emails are poor judgement, but do not appear intentionally criminal.
Her support of foreign wars and occupations is troubling, and undeniable. She is a career politician with fingers in many pies. I dislike that there will be no change with things like Washington Lobbyists. But Trump isn't going to change America's status in either war or lobbying either, and his proposed tax policies and "diplomacy" are far, far worse than hers. So how is that equally bad? How on earth is it worse??

Please, if she's really so terrible, I'd like to know the truth.

[Minimalist]

Facts have no place in republicunt politics.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't dislike her for any alleged crimes. I dislike her for a level of dishonesty that goes quite beyond that of normal politicians ... the "sniper fire" story jumps to mind immediately. Additionally, I find it hard to understand anyone who would stay with a spouse who was repeatedly unfaithful.

That said, I'd still vote for her over Trump if my state is close.

[Aroura]

My research indicates she's actually more honest than the average politician. Yes, the sniper fire story is a case of verified lie, but there's not much else she's said that's a lie. She's actually more honest than Obama! Though slightly less than Bernie. I've checked multiple sources. She's incredibly honest for a politician.
http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-...es-honesty
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...ton-trump/

This seems to be one of those odd widespread misconceptions.

As to her staying with Bill, I understand this issue is more about personal opinion. But to me, she's in a political marriage, a kind that is often accepting of infidelity as normal. If I'm ok with open marriages, gay marriages, etc, why would I judge her as weak for staying in a marriage that is working for her? Ifor she accepts his "infidelity ", then why is it my BUSINESS? It's not like she's letting him beat her, this is sex, and she's behaving like a forward thinking adult about it, not a caught up in religious notions meant to force everyone into a single mode of what sort of marriage is acceptable. I say, good for her!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well, someone hungry enough for power to accept that sort of tradeoff is someone I'm not inclined to support.

As for her rate of lying, I suppose it was more the brass nature of the sniper-fire lie that startles me. Something that can be that easily falsified, when you know your opponents have a bull's-eye on your back, is incredibly poor judgement ... Trump gets lambasted for doing the exact same thing, albeit more often.

[Aroura]

My point is, we don't know all the reasons they stay together. Power? Probably. But is that the only reason? Maybe they are good friends who have found a person who they can talk to and seek support from outside the bedroom. That's a valuable thing in a relationship.


Hillary is undeniably power-hungry though, but so is anyone seeking this position. ANYONE, even Bernie,. This still feels to me like judgement because she's female, and power hungry females seem off to most people, even other females. We are taught this sort of thing from birth, so I'm not saying you are a misogynist or anything, just that I really think it affects people more than they might even realize.

[chimp3]

I do not find Hilary offensive or criminal. I find her to be an advocate of powerful, meddling governance and her approach to politics is one of many reasons I vote libertarian. Trump I find offensive, criminal,  and sucking in so many ways.