Being anti social justice warrior is a catalyst for bullying behavior

[EruptedCarcassBloat]

think the problem is we live in a culture now where everything is so (no pun intended) black and white. It's either/or, you're with us or against us, you're for or against.

This is so ironic and it shows that you missed the point

It's not that cut-and-dry in reality.

You missed the point entirely. 

With this internet culture, you can have people (like myself very often) who are very traditionally leftist and liberal on most of their principles, being dragged on the internet just because they have an opinion which is not quite as far-left as the SJW types want it to be, or because they feel like calling out ridiculous illogical arguments when they see them. Can you expect this internet "Social justice!!!" movement to be well liked by the mainstream? I'm not surprised it gets the backlash it does.

What examples of this actually exist? I suppose you'll tell me someone told you not to use the word "tranny" or "retard" or something? What is the big deal?

Take your "gender flavour of the month" comment, it's true. If I call out the petty attention-seeking teen angst of a 14 year old calling themselves a "demigendered pansexual androromantic" (because simply being "gay" or "genderqueer" is clearly too passé these days), I'll be told I'm anti-LGBT despite being part of the so-called "LGBT community" myself. It's ridiculous.

Why so much intolerance for people who are experimenting with ways to identify themselves?

And I do find the "triggered" memes funny, I'm sorry I'm not a robot with no sense of humour.

Oh don't worry, I forgive you. IN HELL 

[rexbeccarox]

Take your "gender flavour of the month" comment, it's true. If I call out the petty attention-seeking teen angst of a 14 year old calling themselves a "demigendered pansexual androromantic" (because simply being "gay" or "genderqueer" is clearly too passé these days), I'll be told I'm anti-LGBT despite being part of the so-called "LGBT community" myself. It's ridiculous.

Why so much intolerance for people who are experimenting with ways to identify themselves?

I don't know about Yeaux, but for me it demeans and delegitimizes the plights of people who are trying to make a difference for themselves.

Earlier today, I read an article about a man who lives in an apartment in New York City. He took a phone call at 1am, and paced around his apartment, making a bunch of noise. He woke up to find a note from his downstairs neighbor telling him he was rude, that they called management, and that next time they would call the cops. The dude turned it into a race and gentrification issue- his reply letter went viral and he brought in a bunch of "social justice" entities- even though the neighbor didn't even know he was black. That, to me, completely takes away from real issues black people face in this country, and they are vast.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2%80%...ar-BBxewRt

I'm pretty far-left, even more so in the past year or so, but this SJW shit tends to really piss me off because there are people, myself included, who are really making an effort to make social issues right.

[Regina]

No I haven't "missed the point" at all and if you're going to argue that, at least elaborate on exactly how I've missed it instead of throwing out a simple quick argument you think sounds good.

That is the world we live in, the "for or against" mentality. When the whole "gamergate" situation was going on, there were people responding with perfectly valid and reasonable points about how video games are not supposed to be for children or depict reality, and are FAR more violent against men than women, and those people were painted as anti-feminist and anti-SJW warrior just for pointing out logical facts. Point at that, while rape is always the fault of the rapist, there are some situations where the victim didn't exactly use common sense as well, you're "victim blaming" and defending rape. Speak honestly about Islam as a political system and criticise the ideas in the Quran, you're an "Islamophobe" who hates all Muslims.

We do live in this world, where you have to constantly tread carefully and watch what you say so you don't become a meme of being attacked for your not-left-enough views. I'm not saying there isn't real ignorance, real bigotry and real Donald Trumps, those are out there. I'm just a bit tired of seeing very reasonable and logical viewpoints get shot down because they're too honest and/or not ideal enough.

"Why so much intolerance for people who are experimenting with ways to identify themselves?"

Because these people pull these terms out their arses and, rather than calmly explaining what it is and why it's different enough to the other 50 current trendy terms with similar definitions, jump down your throat when you question it or react like "wtf is this new thing now?". It's just silly and it's making a joke out of the LGBTQIAYAWNWHATEVER community.

[EruptedCarcassBloat]

No I haven't "missed the point" at all and if you're going to argue that, at least elaborate on exactly how I've missed it instead of throwing out a simple quick argument you think sounds good.

See my next paragraph down.

That is the world we live in, the "for or against" mentality. When the whole "gamergate" situation was going on, there were people responding with perfectly valid and reasonable points about how video games are not supposed to be for children or depict reality, and are FAR more violent against men than women, and those people were painted as anti-feminist and anti-SJW warrior just for pointing out logical facts. Point at that, while rape is always the fault of the rapist, there are some situations where the victim didn't exactly use common sense as well, you're "victim blaming" and defending rape. Speak honestly about Islam as a political system and criticise the ideas in the Quran, you're an "Islamophobe" who hates all Muslims.

We're not talking about gamergate, we're talking about what has become of people who used gamergate to start their profiteering off of anti social justice warrior content. People like Sargon of Akkad and The Amazing Atheist, Armored Skeptic, Undoomed, Thunderfoot, whoever else you want to add to the list. These people basically make a living off of the cash cow that is pointing at something they think is silly and saying to their audience "look guys! isn't this silly? laugh at and mock the silly people!" and my point, which I referred to in the last quote, is exactly this. This sort of behavior leads to a culture that disrespects people who are different, and the end result is no different from Donald Trump supporters. I know that it's two different breeds of people, but the result is the same. Intolerance and frankly ignorance, ignorance because what the hell do you ever have a problem with people who want to identify as whatever gender they make up for? It's hurting no one. It's just hate mongering.

We do live in this world, where you have to constantly tread carefully and watch what you say so you don't become a meme of being attacked for your not-left-enough views. I'm not saying there isn't real ignorance, real bigotry and real Donald Trumps, those are out there. I'm just a bit tired of seeing very reasonable and logical viewpoints get shot down because they're too honest and/or not ideal enough.

Really? Because we actually don't live in a world like that. 

"Why so much intolerance for people who are experimenting with ways to identify themselves?"

Because these people pull these terms out their arses and, rather than calmly explaining what it is and why it's different enough to the other 50 current trendy terms with similar definitions, jump down your throat when you question it or react like "wtf is this new thing now?". It's just silly and it's making a joke out of the LGBTQIAYAWNWHATEVER community.

Anyone who sees that sort of thing and gets the wrong impression of the lgbt community is ignorant. And I think it's a bit hypocritical to be saying that those people should monitor what they say and do when you were the one just complaining about there being too many rules. How much more hypocritical can you get than that, honestly man? Come on.

[account_inactive]

SJWs are cancer.

[The Grand Nudger]

People who oppose social justice because they don;t like a particular campaigner, imo...are a cancer.  It's an impressive failure to compartmentalize (which is something we're usually pretty good at). 

Willing to deny someone justice...because you don't like their lawyer?  Good for you.  Bad for the rest of us.

[Regina]

This sort of behavior leads to a culture that disrespects people who are different, and the end result is no different from Donald Trump supporters. I know that it's two different breeds of people, but the result is the same. Intolerance and frankly ignorance, ignorance because what the hell do you ever have a problem with people who want to identify as whatever gender they make up for? It's hurting no one. It's just hate mongering.

Poking fun at someone for saying stupid shit is not the same as "disrespecting them because they are different" and it is not "hate mongering". It's just having jokes about someone saying stupid shit.

There were things that were said about gamergate that I did find very disgusting and distateful, like the threats of violence and rape. Complain about that I'm right there with you. People shouldn't be getting openly attacked for their views like I said earlier.

But if we're talking about people getting butthurt because someone simply laughed and made jokes at an unfounded or illogical idea of theirs, we're being really petty and high schoolish. People with that mentality really don't need to be on the internet and won't survive 2 minutes of social interaction in the real world, sorry that's just the truth.

In itself I don't care that much if you want to call yourself one of these unicorn identities. I just wish these people wouldn't get so butthurt when people question what it means, and wonder why a more well-known term that means the same thing won't suffice instead... naturally leading to judgments of special snowflake-ism.

And again this is exactly what I'm talking about with the black/white "with or against" mentality. "It's just hate mongering". No tbh, I'm gay and would even describe myself as "genderqueer" if I could take the GQ community more seriously, so I definitely don't "hate" them. I have an opinion about their habit for liberally inventing new pointless terms, that doesn't mean I'm against being gender-nonconforming or "hate" people who are. That's you saying that.

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's definitely an excluded-middle phenomenon happening with SJW labelling. One can speak up against an injustice without adopting all proclaimed injustices as wrong. One can disagree with many biases or bigotries and still not hold all to be wrong.

Truth is a nuanced thing, and because of that, simple solutions, simple labels are most often useless.

[EruptedCarcassBloat]

Poking fun at someone for saying stupid shit is not the same as "disrespecting them because they are different" and it is not "hate mongering". It's just having jokes about someone saying stupid shit.

That's not the point. 

There were things that were said about gamergate that I did find very disgusting and distateful, like the threats of violence and rape. Complain about that I'm right there with you.

True

But if we're talking about people getting butthurt because someone simply laughed and made jokes at an unfounded or illogical idea of theirs, we're being really petty and high schoolish. People with that mentality really don't need to be on the internet and won't survive 2 minutes of social interaction in the real world, sorry that's just the truth.

Please refer to the very last paragraph of this post.

In itself I don't care that much if you want to call yourself one of these unicorn identities. I just wish these people wouldn't get so butthurt when people question what it means, and wonder why a more well-known term that means the same thing won't suffice instead... naturally leading to judgments of special snowflake-ism.

I'm just wondering why you care so much about gender issues. I think you just like being outraged at it and feeling like you're right.

And again this is exactly what I'm talking about with the black/white "with or against" mentality. "It's just hate mongering". No tbh, I'm gay and would even describe myself as "genderqueer" if I could take the GQ community more seriously, so I definitely don't "hate" them. I have an opinion about their habit for liberally inventing new pointless terms, that doesn't mean I'm against being gender-nonconforming or "hate" people who are. That's you saying that.

Once again, you have a double standard. You say, please don't tell me what I can and can't insult, but then you want to tell other people who are making a personal decision to call themselves something that you don't like it. It really does seem like anti sjws are everything they accuse sjws of being. You accuse them of language policing... because you want to language police them?

[Regina]

It was just an example that was given earlier and I've run with it. And it bothers me because it's an obnoxious thing going on within my "community" and it comes up more often than it should.

I really don't see how that's a double standard. I'm saying people can criticise ideas, joke about them even, as long as people aren't being personally and viciously attacked.

Your lovely SJW types you love defending regularly go on the (incredibly vicious) attack when someone says something that isn't sugar-coated to their liking, then when someone makes a mere joke or even fairly critiques some of their ideas or how they behave online, they want to cry victim.

That's my problem, and it's not a double standard. You're boring me now, good day.