How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?

[Longhorn]

I am so sorry...

....Truly I do not understand the statement.. What do you have to be sorry for?

To me this is disingenuous.. You can't be sorry and mean it as you had nothing to do with the circumstances.(you just found out about it) You cant apologize for society or the community as you are not in a position to speak for it...

To me this is pity.

You simply feel bad this happened and feel a need to say something..

This is what you call empathy. It's a basic human skill that allows for societies to function. It would be pity if it involved a low opinion of the person you're being empathetic towards.

[Tiberius]

Sounds like there are two definitions of the word "rape" being used here.

There's "rape" the crime, and "rape" the action.

So yes, whilst a person can't be convicted of a rape (crime) 5 years after it happened, that doesn't change the fact that the person raped (action) the victim.

Drich you appear to be ignoring the colloquial use of terms in favor of being overbearingly technical. For example, the phrase "he got away with murder" is a well known expression, even though by your argument if you don't get convicted of murder you aren't technically a murderer.

In short, I get where you are coming from but I don't think you're argument really applies to the underlying theme here. The event (rape, sexual assault, non-consensual sex, whatever you want to call it) still happened even if nobody got convicted for it.

[Shell B]

It's not even a colloquial term, Tibs. Rape is rape is rape.

[Drich]

As far as your "tough love" diatribe back there, I'm not opposed to tough love as it has its time and place but you seem to quickly forget the times Jesus humbles himself as a servant to others and shows true compassion.  How about the woman in adultery that Jesus did not condemn while the priests were ready to stone her?  Did he use tough love there?  

Again... Christ's tough love is always contingent on the status of one's heart. (As I pointed out several times which you seem to omit from your rebuke/not understand.) Your question should be why did Jesus reject the rich young ruler who wanted to fund Jesus' ministry, Or why Jesus call the most 'holy/religious' men of his day fools, serpents and blind guides, or why he usurped the authority of the temple priests and whip the money changers out of the temple, and then... show compassion to a sinner?

In all those instances the hearts of those in authority were corrupt. The young ruler loved his money more than God, The Religious leaders ceased worshiping God, and worshiped the rules of God. What pushed Jesus to act with the whip, was the fact that these money changers were actually turning people away from what God wanted for the sake of profit.

All three instances have Christ worked completely opposite of how the people he interacted with station in life demanded they be treated. In all three instances he went counter culture to demand that these men submit to the will of God. He did not try and sell them, or con his way with a false narrative or even sugar coat the message he had. He simply told it as it was and let the chips fall where they may.

So then why was He merciful to the adulterous woman? because she submitted and repented of her sin. (otheriwse she would have been kicking and screaming at the prospect of being stoned.)

So again Christ was brutal and unyielding not a respecter of title or social protocol when it came to delivering a message to people that may not have liked what he had to say. AT THE SAME TIME He showed endless mercy and boundless grace who did indeed repent.

Which again is why I don't make any apologies here. My message is not any different concerning the efficacy of rape or the fact it should be reported. I simply take a different stance on how to help an alleged victim. I know pity to be counter productive even though it gives well meaning people something to say and do besides feel awkward. Not that there is never a time for pity, I just think if someone still needs it after a decade or so then that is a sure sign that they have not truly dealt with the problem. Then the individual needs to be informed of that and given the opportunity remain in their current state or offered help. There is no right answer to whatever they choose, it is what ever is best for them. That said i believe the objection is the forced reckoning I am suggesting.. which to a culture of victims, seems cold and callous...

But here's the thing... What makes your option more humane if you will not allow any other options?

How about the apostle Paul in 1 Cor 9:22: "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I may save some".  He's saying that he adapts to all people to relate to them on levels they understand.  We cannot be one-dimensional in our approach to discussions as what may help some will not help all.  We need to assess, adapt and respond accordingly.  Be humble, loving and raise others up and not admonish them.  We are all the same and all deserving of the same respect, regardless of our background, ethnicity, beliefs, etc.

Do you seriously want to through verse fragments at me???

Let pretent that you know that despite "when in Rome do as the Romans do" Paul is communicating here starting at verse 19 He never once allows "doing what the romans do" compromise his faith or what he believes.

Then let pretend you understand that me having to go through the recovery cycle myself see 'pity' as a cancer that allows one to pretend, suppress and ignore a rape. To the point it pushes past the SOL. which means that the forced sex one is made to endure is NO different Legally speaking, than consensual sex.

Let's pretend you know all of this even though this paragraph says you did not factor those things in when you post your post. That leaves us with:

We cannot be one-dimensional in our approach to discussions as what may help some will not help all. We need to assess, adapt and respond accordingly. Be humble, loving and raise others up and not admonish them. We are all the same and all deserving of the same respect, regardless of our background, ethnicity, beliefs, etc.

Now.. If you believe we are not all one dimensional, and need different view points... Then show me where anyone else posted anything close to what I posted.

Show me someone who posted anything besides (Cant think of the other word that you all use I say pity...)empathy, compassion... uh, sorrow ect... What you are wanting me to do (what everyone does) IS THAT ONE DIMENSIONAL B-S You are preaching to me about!!!

What I bring is something different.. Why???
We cannot be one-dimensional in our approach to discussions as what may help some will not help all. We need to assess, adapt and respond accordingly. Be humble, loving and raise others up and not admonish them. We are all the same and all deserving of the same respect, regardless of our background, ethnicity, beliefs, etc...

In short not everyone WANTS PITY!!! Some people May be ready for change, but can't because all people know do if offer pity...

Which is all you can stand for me to do apparently, because it does not match up with your religious ideas..

Here's a question.. what if God does not judge us all be your specific religious standard? What if God judges you and your life's work with what he gave you, and then judged me on a different standard because of what he has given me was different than what he gave you?

So then why should my efforts then resemble your own?

[Mermaid]

Why should women report sexual assault? The norm is to doubt, berate, and blame anyone who has reported it. Rapists with eyewitnesses to the crime don't go to jail for more than a few months, and that's if they go to jail.
It won't be a deterrent because people who commit sexual assault are rarely punished.
Why SHOULD we report it?

Because, it's not about you. It is about the next person who gets raped because you said nothing.

This is assuming that rapists are apprehended and jailed. They almost never are. And yes, it's absolutely about me.
Holy shit. Are you capable of any sort of empathy whatsoever? You have a lot of balls.

[Mermaid]

I am so sorry...

....Truly I do not understand the statement.. What do you have to be sorry for?

To me this is disingenuous.. You can't be sorry and mean it as you had nothing to do with the circumstances.(you just found out about it) You cant apologize for society or the community as you are not in a position to speak for it...

To me this is pity.

You simply feel bad this happened and feel a need to say something..

If this is the case, and you are unsure of the time line then isn't it possible that your offer of pity could do more harm than good?

Or is this just an empty gesture.. Kind like passing a co worker in the hall and asking 'how you doing?' but do not care in any way shape or form how one is doing.. it's just what you say...

Really?

[Mermaid]

True compassion starts with not being a patronizing dickbag to people. What you claim is the "truth" is not everyone's truth.

oK let's start here..

Can you identify a "truth" I have said that is a non-truth to you?

Let's start here: What is the name of this forum?

There is no fucking God.

[Tiberius]

It's not even a colloquial term, Tibs. Rape is rape is rape.

I know, but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding definitions and his argument. If you aren't found guilty of committing a crime, or for some reason cannot be convicted for a crime, was it still a crime?

One definition of "murder" is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". So if the killing wasn't unlawful (because there was some statue of limitations preventing a conviction), is it still murder, or is it just a "killing".

The argument is an interesting one, though it's entirely based in semantics.

My argument is that "rape" has (at least) two meanings, one that relates to the legal situation, and one that is colloquial. If you have non-consensual sex with someone, you have raped them in a sense that most people understand (colloquially), even if you aren't viewed as having raped the person under the law because the rape wasn't reported in time (legally).

[Catholic_Lady]

I am so sorry...

....Truly I do not understand the statement.. What do you have to be sorry for?

To me this is disingenuous.. You can't be sorry and mean it as you had nothing to do with the circumstances.(you just found out about it) You cant apologize for society or the community as you are not in a position to speak for it...

To me this is pity.

You simply feel bad this happened and feel a need to say something..

If this is the case, and you are unsure of the time line then isn't it possible that your offer of pity could do more harm than good?

Or is this just an empty gesture.. Kind like passing a co worker in the hall and asking 'how you doing?' but do not care in any way shape or form how one is doing.. it's just what you say...

This is just a matter of semantics. In the English language, we say "I'm sorry" to someone who has suffered something, not as an apology on our behalf, but as an expression of sympathy.  

In my first language, Portuguese, we say "sinto muito" in the same context. Which literally means "I feel a lot". But it's the equivalence of saying "I'm sorry" in English. 


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch...to%20muito 

It's an expression of sympathy. 

Again, Drich, if you seek to reach anyone here for any sort of productive discussion, you need to do so with better people skills. Perhaps being told "I'm sorry" by someone when one of your loved ones dies, means nothing to you personally. But not everyone is like you. I'd say most people aren't, which is why I described you as unique. If you want to get anything out of discussions with people, you'd do better to try to connect with them at least on a human level.

[Losty]

It's not even a colloquial term, Tibs. Rape is rape is rape.

I know, but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding definitions and his argument. If you aren't found guilty of committing a crime, or for some reason cannot be convicted for a crime, was it still a crime?

One definition of "murder" is "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". So if the killing wasn't unlawful (because there was some statue of limitations preventing a conviction), is it still murder, or is it just a "killing".

The argument is an interesting one, though it's entirely based in semantics.

My argument is that "rape" has (at least) two meanings, one that relates to the legal situation, and one that is colloquial. If you have non-consensual sex with someone, you have raped them in a sense that most people understand (colloquially), even if you aren't viewed as having raped the person under the law because the rape wasn't reported in time (legally).

The killing or raping or whatever is still unlawful even if there's something that prevents charges from being brought up. I someone raped another person 50 years ago and cannot be brought up on charges because they're no longer living their actions were still unlawful. The same if someone raped someone 5 years ago and cannot be brought up on charges because the SoL has passed, the rape itself was still unlawful.