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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm)Losty Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: There are ways to have consensual "forced" sex. It's all about what the couple agrees to beforehand. That's not to say it ever needs to become more than roleplay, or that an actual rape will occur. It requires trust from both parties and an adequate read of what the other person wants, in addition to actual words describing what they want. Then it's all about the fantasy of it.
If it's just a fantasy and you need to put the word forced in "quotations" then it is not forced sex. It's all an act. It may be a very elaborate and convincing act but it's still an act. The second the person pretending to resist changes their mind and begins resisting for real the consent is lost and the act, if continued, becomes rape. You cannot have consensual forced sex. You can only have consensual sex where both parties agree to pretend the sex is forced.
How does one tell when the other person changes their mind?
This is the reason I said only people who truly love, trust and understand each other to a t should do this, lest an actual rape occurs or a false one gets reported.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Drich Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: How would you describe forced sex?
see above sex in the presence of physical resistance or obstructive measures.
However this does not mean one can not consent to the sex even if that person is putting up a fight. Watch old American movies, a very tame version of this is played out in any movie before 1960.
This is not just some weird Asian thing. It was normal to a degree. Asians (Can be Christians) and still morally have forced (consensual sex) with one another.
So basically consensual rough dominance/submissive type play. If that is what you mean, then I agree this is not rape.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Losty Wrote: Wait what? If there is consent, the sex is not forced. You can't force someone to do something they're already doing willingly that makes no sense.
He's defining the word "forced" differently.
He is, but the root of the problem is his idea of 'consent,' because according to him sex can be forced but also have consent. And for Drich, physically resisting or fighting against sex that is being forced onto you still means you're 'consenting.'
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm
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(October 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He's defining the word "forced" differently.
He is, but the root of the problem is his idea of 'consent,' because according to him sex can be forced but also have consent. And for Drich, physically resisting or fighting against sex that is being forced onto you still means you're 'consenting.'
When he says forced he merely means rough bdsm roleplay type sex that is consensual.
I don't care what words he uses, quite honestly. If he agrees that sex which is not consensual is immoral and shouldn't be allowed, then I don't care how he uses the word "forced.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:37 pm
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I think he may just be using the word "forced" to be contrary and to stir the pot. Knowing it will get people riled up, but then just being super technical and claiming a different definition for it. I may be wrong, but that is what I suspect.
Nonetheless, I think we would do better to drop the matter at this time in case that is what he is trying to do.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:38 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: He is, but the root of the problem is his idea of 'consent,' because according to him sex can be forced but also have consent. And for Drich, physically resisting or fighting against sex that is being forced onto you still means you're 'consenting.'
When he says forced he merely means rough bdsm roleplay type sex that is consensual.
I don't care what words he uses, quite honestly. If he agrees that sex which is not consensual is rape, then I don't care how he uses the word "forced.
But nowhere in this thread has he indicated that he's talking about bdsm roleplay or fantasy. At all.
If he spend dozens of pages trying to get that point across, and all he has to say is that he's talking about it in a fetish/fantasy setting, then yes, I would agree, I love the freaky fetish stuff as much as the next person.
Literally all he has to do is say that simple statement. So he's either the single worst communicator that I have ever seen, or he's not talking about bdsm fantasy.
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How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:39 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm)Losty Wrote: If it's just a fantasy and you need to put the word forced in "quotations" then it is not forced sex. It's all an act. It may be a very elaborate and convincing act but it's still an act. The second the person pretending to resist changes their mind and begins resisting for real the consent is lost and the act, if continued, becomes rape. You cannot have consensual forced sex. You can only have consensual sex where both parties agree to pretend the sex is forced.
How does one tell when the other person changes their mind?
This is the reason I said only people who truly love, trust and understand each other to a t should do this, lest an actual rape occurs or a false one gets reported.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:39 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Drich Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: How would you describe forced sex?
see above sex in the presence of physical resistance or obstructive measures.
However this does not mean one can not consent to the sex even if that person is putting up a fight. Watch old American movies, a very tame version of this is played out in any movie before 1960.
This is not just some weird Asian thing. It was normal to a degree. Asians (Can be Christians) and still morally have forced (consensual sex) with one another.
AYFKM?
SO now you're comparing something that happens in the movies, you know with people acting, to a real life situation? Please Stop. Just stop. Because the stupid in you is making my head hurt.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:40 pm
(October 18, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (October 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm)Losty Wrote: Wait what? If there is consent, the sex is not forced. You can't force someone to do something they're already doing willingly that makes no sense.
Consent and force are not exclusive in that context, they can actually go hand in hand. You consent to it before the actual act takes place, but then you get in character and you don't. You resist and the other party resorts to force. That's the whole point of it and is what Drich is talking about, I believe. Everyone is purposefully misunderstanding him. I wonder if it has anything to do with him being a theist.
Yes I'm objecting to his opinion because he's a theist 
Are you a theist? Did you know that there's a difference between using physical force and actually forcing someone to do something? You can play pretend all you like (even when it's a cultural norm and not a sex game it's still playing pretend) but the second you're legitimately forcing someone it is rape. If she's not pretending to resist it's is rape. If she's pretending to resist it is not forced sex.
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RE: How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?
October 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm
All Drich has to say is "I'm talking about bdsm fetish stuff." And this issue is dead in the water. But he won't, because he's not.
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